And as we’ve seen over the years learning the flow of maps and what not for bombing without marks takes far more time than most people are willing to commit to if they’ve only got the one slot too since its low rewards the whole time you’re bungling it until it starts to click
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It took me a full year to really start flying correctly, I was a really, REALLY bad pilot back then! (I didn’t fly much in WT, I liked tanks)
So I understand perfectly what you mean 
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I love the sandbox nature of this game, and you can call me crazy but I enjoy seeing Stuarts and Tigers in the same match. Obviously everyone thinks different but I never got flustered because I got one shotted by this or that because welp that’s the game for you. Even now I like encountering stuff I haven’t even unlocked yet.
I think this Battle Rating is convoluted and will start to ruin that sandbox. It’s like Japan used the Ha-Go all throughout the war, but under this BR you’ll probably never have Ha-Go’s and Shermans in the same match. People have to understand that every gun, vehicle, plane, etc has its perks, pros, cons, and role to play.
Heck you could have a match right now with Shermans and Ha-Go’s and the Ha-Go could still perform well because, duh, it has its intended roles. Does that mean the Ha-Go is invincible, no. Because as soon as the Sherman finds it it’s over, but that’s the beauty of the sandbox
I’ve said it before, universal tech tree and match making, good. The BR is the only thing I see people debating on the forum. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the BR system is eventually scrapped as this game is still in development and things change.
I just hope they aren’t hard coding this BR into the game’s bones because I don’t think it’s going to be the final solution.
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I didn’t forget, I know, because I have played this game for my share of long time as free to play too
and I know too well about the decision of choosing either plane or tank to put in the lineup and being locked to just one or the other
now think of a player like that in the new BR system if they really want to play their tank and they can’t find a match or chance to play it because the BR system is blocking them as someone else is always beating them to it because too many players at that BR queue are competing for one thing
more quits in matches and probably more quits of the game permanently if no alternative option is available
Ya’ll forgeting BR spread. Its not capped. Likely going to see BR 1-5 or 5-10 in the same match
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That’s nothing. I played both Red Orchestras and often was locked to mere rifleman conscript the entire match because other classes were taken.
And I loved it (mastered bolt actions as a result).
Br and desertion are unrelated. Unless they release a biased version like proposed with Soviets having superior stuff earlier in BR (ruins the point of BR) like pps42 at tier 2, then yes, many axis players might desert to fight against allies instead for fairer matches (Soviet mains love pve and lack of competition, like many other factions mains.).
It’s the combined maps that will be the problem, more ppl will desert to find the maps they like.
But I don’t mind that part one bit.
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Depends on how high the spread is 
I’m really eager for more info on this.
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If this was a side mode, optional side mode
I would still prefer to have control over what limit of BR I would go into
If you going to do a BR, at least do it properly
but they can’t even get that right
part of the hatred of this system from warthunder is that exact problem, you don’t get a choice
the game just decides for you, just more crap added into this game
not being able to choose maps is already a hated part of this game, now you also get no choice what BR limits, if you are into those limits, which I’m not, but if I was…at least let the player choose what range if any of BR they want to queue into
I think it’s good that there’s no map choice. In other games that allow map voting it creates situations where some maps just get left in the dust and you never play them because muhjority rules. Obviously there are maps that I don’t really like but sometimes I think it’s good to be “forced” to play all of them because they grow on you. In fact I’ve grown to like some maps that I didn’t at first all because I kept playing on them.
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you are right about that, I too like to try different maps and I am really saddened when games that used to allow the choice would see my fav maps not being played because the majority of people like the crap maps because they are all wanting to only play things like metro in BF3, meanwhile the great maps aren’t played
so from that perspective, I too can appreciate that because I rarely agree with the mob choices in maps in these games, some reason the popular thing is to play in narrow small battlefields, I don’t like that
but I remember in h&g my fav maps always had players playing it, issue there was their system that made it take forever to put a player into a game
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Without a BR spread cap, its effectively not going to be much different than now objectively.
Unless theres enough population you are still gonna get david vs goliath matchups thanks to uptiering with no limit.
The difference may be more players allocated to each team.
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considering that average player is dumber than a block of wood, most players never learned those tactics. if players in this game had brain we would have 5 rally points build every game. also with paratroopers now ingame, players have option of insta flanking any position.
it was never about perfect balance, it was all about preventing extreme seal clubbing where player doesnt have any counter to veteran.
also i dont understand all this trashing before final tech tree and MM is implemented. who knows how good or bad devs will implement this MM and tech tree.
do you know 2 main reasons for quitting? obviously you dont.
- shit mode/map. i never play assault/train and only play few conquest maps when i am in a good mood.
- roflstomp
you are behaving like the players are only searching for easy wins. most players just dont want devastating defeats where they cant do shit cause they have shit/bot team that does absolutely nothing.
do you know of a situation when players can do absolutely nothing? when enemy has tiger camping on d-day hill and your team only has f2p players that have stuarts or scotts for their vehicle.
personally i dont care about such players. they can go alongside with you. seal clubbing with p2w equipment or end game equipment vs newbies is one of the worst behaviors that you can experience in any game and most of such games die (unless you are diablo immortal, seriously i dont understand players that keep playing that shit game)
yes cause f2p players get 2 vehicle slots so they can always equip it.
yes cause MM will be strict ±0 MM you will never find a match in new MM.
if devs want to have human vs human matches, i calculated that we will have around ±2 to ±4 MM games for peak hours and anything goes for off peak hours.
cause there is not enough players. if you want to have human vs human matches MM needs to be flexible. if they make the tight spread you will just end with fixed MM and lots of bots.
devs said they will consider this after update. hopefully this will be implemented sooner rather than later. still you wont be able to do hard map choice cause not enough playerbase, so soft veto seems like next best choice.
some maps/modes deserve to die. like assault or train. i dont see a problem with shitty maps not getting chosen. if someone wants to play unpopular map there is always customs.
Pretty sure they have already stated there is no hard cap on BR spread.
Im guessing because population isnt enough yet.
But yes…dying for more proper infomation
But my dreams of panzer II’ing free of t-34s and k-v1s has dissolved 
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even if there was no cap, the idea of the BR system is to prioritize players in similar BR, so it will be extremely different to what we see now
well I don’t know about you guys, but all this is really doing is cutting back a few campaigns that might not be that popular and aren’t sporting the same numbers as the popular campaigns and then throwing those players into the BR pools, but due to the priority of finding similar level BR, the david vs goliath is going to be far more rare, and you would think that would be a good thing, except it just becomes really annoying when the player reduces a BR looking for low BR and then is still pulled into high BR, so then there is that extra reason why players will quit matches
on paper yes
but then in reality as I explained more players are going to quit more matches at the mid and high tier BR due to it becoming harder to find their ideal situation, due to the difficulty of finding that situation thanks to the BR
I believe there will be more players in lower BR, and the mid level BR might also have an increase in numbers, but at the top end, there is going to be a lot of turnover of quitters
also due to the introduction of tiers, it creates a mindset that if you equip a certain tier, you expect to face that tier, so players will likely be stimulated to quit matches more often to escape perceived unfair matchups, especially when they down tier and get pulled back up, that is one the worst things about this
so with the increase in quitting, it just ends up spreading the players out over more matches similar to what we have now, so that will likely not be that much different
so you might enter a match with 20 people, and by the time you end it, you might have 12 quitters, so only 8 remained and the others kept searching and creating new matches, and so the old cycle will continue
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You only need one slot to equip it
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Yes…
I remember they said tiger2 will be possible in Moscow, if there’s not enough top tier opponents or teamates ready at the moment a match is created.
But. That makes all this br thing even more irrelevant if there’s no spread cap. At least 2 tiers lower or higher max would be ideal.
If not, br is just pointless imo.
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most matches are already full of bots because quitters, but that has been accepted as the culture of the game
this BR system not going to reduce quitters, just gives new reasons and more reasons to quit matches
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Though it could also depend on Moscow BR cap/ at which br Moscow dissapears
Don’t think it will matter much. It’s just a soft rule that will choose maps corresponding to what the majority of players will use.
Tiger or is2 could still be in Moscow vs low tier guys if there’s not enough tier 10 huys at the moment the tier 10 guy clicked the battle button.
But nobody knows for sure yet. We will see hopefully this week, maybe.
funny how the worst choice is what you call the best choice
that is the worst possible outcome, I’d rather have no choice than have the moron mob decide
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