The faction trend problem

The axis in Tunisia has been dead for years. In times of events, everyone plays in allies to grind the event. And another problem is that the devs are giving the German squads in Normandy all the unique weapons that the Italians had in ww2.

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I didn’t know about the ROF but its still useless with only 5 shots per mag

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the ostu has 380 rpm base with a 2 second reload so the only really notice downside is the awkward sights to it

i never had an issue with type hei, hell it’s given me many bs headshots

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This is actually the worst problem for Soviet on my part where I couldn’t enjoy the T-34-85 and the IS-2 because most of the good Soviet players are in Moscow and Stalingrad as Berlin wasn’t the meta campaign to grind for Soviets right now other than getting some guns like M44 carbine, PPS-43, box mag PPSh and RD-44. Some of the iconic Soviet vehicles(e.g. T-34-85, IS-2, La-5, La-7, later Il-2s, Il-10, etc) can only be played in Berlin.

Atleast Normandy is still somewhat playable for Axis with some luck not to face a full sweatlord American team and Axis will always have a playerbase there that can atleast do the fundamentals even if infested with low ranking players but not as bad as Soviet Berlin.

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The BR system is already a problem of its own in War Thunder where there are cases like King Tigers having to fight post war tanks like T-54s, BMPs, etc while each nation have its own bad BR ranges. I remember having to fight post cold war Leopard 2A5s and 2A6s in a T-80U along with T-80B and some T-72s while the T-72s are in a weird position in the BR system.

In the case of Enlisted, there are plenty of weapons and vehicles that are going to be in a strange position with the BR system which is why I don’t trust this is going to balance things out knowing the experience in War Thunder like where will you put PPSh as USSR doesn’t have a proper assault rifle that entered service during the war like I don’t think this is going to be the same level as the STG-44. Even Fedorov is more of an automatic rifle than an assault rifle despite the Avtomat name(Soviets refer to PPSh as Avtomat too) with a full power rifle cartridge(even though its just a Japanese 6.5mm Arisaka round not 7.62x39mm or 7.92 Kurz) like the AVT-40 and FG 42.

That’s just the tip of the iceberg as its going to open a can full of worms too like some last ditch Volkssturm rifles and those that came later in the war e.g. PPS, M44, M3 Grease Gun even worse with vehicles. Allies have no tank to match against the King Tiger especially the H version while Soviets have IS-3(we already crossed the line with the likes of RD-44 around) which is why I think the BR system needs to be reconsidered and more thought in mind where it may end up as the same problem in a different way without a way to properly balance the teams like 10 veterans vs a few new ones and bots.

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How about removing the ability to play as a selected faction and equally split the gained XP between both sides of the campaign?

E.g. you choose to play ā€œThe Pacificā€, you are randomly placed on either of the teams (and both teams are balanced as much as possible), you earn 6000XP, out of which 3000 goes to your Japanese progression and 3000 to US.

Honestly, if I were a dev, I would have done this from the start. Faction stacking issue was obvious.

With stuff like premium squads and how this game is designed, probably not as this is not Battlefield where all factions use the same weapons, same unlocks, etc. What I could think of is to make the less popular faction have a boost in rewards.

Some already suggested MMR matchmaking system along with something like stop making the matchmaking system put out 10v1 matches but instead a more even approach besides a dedicated matchmaking for those who group together e.g. 4 stacks have to face another 4 stack.

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Guess your personal experience is different from mine. I don’t it’s bad weapon. I think problem is somewhere else.

This game is so casual that majority players don’t even know there’s something like bot players.
This uneven MM is problem only for top X% of players who actually cares about their score or winning.
You can suggest whatever you want, probably nothing will change anyway.

Btw, trying to addres this problem before merge is completely pointless. :tipping_hand_man:

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Its not about service entry time, its about performance/ stats.
Federov performs better than most WW2 Assault Rifles here for some reason so it should be fine late counter against StG and MP43 and I guess twice-lower-dispersion AVT will do fine against MKb as well as it does rn in SG.
And well, technically the IS2 should be the best counter for KT but in Enlisted reality its the T34-85 and maybe the SU-tanks so I guess US is ā€œfineā€ with 76mm cannons… at least depending on how you define the current Soviet tank situation im Berlin.

I believe that most of the players appreciate the game for its historicity, it is possible to plunge into those very moments of history and feel some approximate emotions, but a smaller part of the players are those who care about statistics

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Yeah. Not all games reflect the importance of Jumbos in Operation Overlord or the effectiveness of an WW1 battle rifle in Berlin 1945.

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Yes, that’s right, in most cases, even the visual part gives the feeling of those very significant moments both from a technical (advanced technology at the time) and from a historical point of view

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You know this is irony?

Yes, I understand, but I also express my point of view

I have heard this logic before in War Thunder with both T-72B and T-80U entered service in 1985 but both vehicles have completely different capabilities. Even T-80BV(not BVM) is still a capable tank in top tier and was even faster than T-72B3M from 2016 despite T-72B3M have more modern ammo and optics.

There are guns that appeared all war such as PPSh, MP40, M1891/30 Mosin, Kar98k, etc with unique capabilities to each other while there are late war weapons that are much worse than early war e.g. Kriegsmodell, Volkssturm guns so those cannot be judged based on when they entered service like they are special cases. Historically Fedorov makes more sense in Moscow because of how desperate it was at the time for the Soviets but it doesn’t make sense to be the prevalent weapon in Berlin when it was lots of PPSh and PPS SMGs irl besides Germany is only using whatever’s left in their arsenal.

IS-2 obr 1944 can fight Tiger II (H) but T-34-85 have to flank or ambush the King Tiger which is not an option in many maps there knowing not much room to flank besides the constant threat of some sneaky bastard with a panzerfaust. PPSh does fine against Mkb, FG 42 and STG in close range though while a different story in longer distances.

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Japanese light tanks deal better with terrain, i can park them on rocks easily and ambush enemy tanks. Non of the american vehicles are agiler.

Type hei is better at long distances. Use them like a bolt action. They are potent.

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I get what you are saying about BR in WT, although I haven’t played it myself, but I have played its competitor product a long time ago and it had similar issues.

But I have to challenge your examples:
I can’t say this with certainty, because, again, I haven’t played WT and we don’t have T-54s in Enlisted yet. But from a purely gameplay perspective, I would assume, that King Tiger can hold its own against T-54s and certainly against BMPs.
Is it historical? Of course not, but we all know, that DF is no longer interested in historical accuracy. Besides, disregarding actual historical events, I would still consider KT to be a contemporary of T-54. Had there been sufficient numbers captured by the Allies and enough spare parts available, I’m sure they would have seen continued service post-war, just like the Pz4 and Stug, which were even older designs, and the Hetzer.
Post-cold war tanks fighting soviet era tanks is definitely not ahistorical. It has happened before and it is happening right now, even the exact matchups you are mentioning. In gameplay terms, it might be unfair though, I don’t know.

Concerning infantry weapons in Enlisted after the merge, I don’t know if it has been said explicitly, but it seems clear that they will be grouped in BRs based on their effectiveness, rather than their actual date of introduction. So yeah, we will get MP 3008s and Volkssturm rifles fighting alongside early panzers, Grease Guns with Springfields and Fedorovs with IS-2s. It seems silly, but I don’t think there can be any other way, unless DF was to drastically alter the stats of the guns, so that late-war guns are always better (I would hate that). Balance will still not be 100% symmetrical, but that’s ok.

I’m guessing, that Allies will receive some new kit with the merge, in order to stand a chance against the big cats. M36 and Pershing for sure and maybe Centurion. Maybe even Super Pershing (ugh).