then use smokes?
Yeah. I was effective when I camped with it to not get killed by the Jap boat, AT rifles and bashers. Huh
I mean, he surely has many reasons for that.
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But somehow they are useless.
And the nerf isn’t on how effective they are. But lack of a proper hit box on a head of a soldier on the aa gun. A clear hit will hit a invisible armor plate.
Both on aa gunner and front window that’s clearly open.
And yes. They are useless. But broken by design.
Japanese one is a joke
US one leads to loosing points or having no soldiers on the cap zone.
They make kills sure. As everything in-game. But they don’t help at all winning a match.
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so useless that they have been introduced in the game.
go figure…
didn’t this one got fix?
yes:
Weakened optics protection at the front of the M13 SPAAG shooter’s face.
( and i got shot by bots when driving one so. )
beside, as those are designed to be used against aircrafts, that’s what they can do.
sure, we can argue that not everyone uses planes. but those do not make their job any less usefull ( as i have to remind you, that people asked for SPGAA for quite some time by now.
so, just like i said to the others, just because you can’t make a use of it, doesn’t mean it’s useless.
Like shovels or binos(?)
Showel,binos,flask,medic,bike,rocket tank,destruction,armored train…
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and dont forget fighters without payloads
That is for balance tunisi, some map are in a desert if figther gonna have bomb become a hell for infantry
But even Berlin and Moscow (and the SG Fw)?
Those are for sell the premium version wo have the bomb, this one are very scummy for make you spend money
Tunisia is for balance reason
yet people use them.
so. are those useless?
no.
otherwise no one would use them.
again. i know it’s an hard for concept for you all, but just because you can’t use it, or don’t know how to use it, or don’t see reasons, doesn’t mean they actually are ( useless ).
Well, do aa guns are useless? Why aa on wheals would be then? At least I have never said that they would be bad against infantry when whole capture point is made frome those bamboo hats…
Yeah but how many people?
Would you call something usefull/ interesting if only 1 out of 10 people use it and most people wont even notice. How many holes/ “trenches” do you see in matches without the pinky googles?
If 1% use shovels, I dont see a reason to call it usefull or even used. Most people probably dont even know that shovels exist. The reason why so many people die ehm use the M13 is that it is a starter “tank” and people are forced to use it. The minute they get the M2, they dump it into the depot and never touch it again.
I’m the kind of player that never gets mad or salty when I get killed by something. Oh I got sniped? Welp. Oh I got shot by an AA gun? Welp. Etc.
i hardly think you just stand aside and watch the others what do. let alone check if they have fiasks or shovels.
beside, you don’t speak for everyone.
as i dig them my self, i don’t think look at the others what they do or not. because i have other things to think about.
but occasionally, in at least 1-2 match per day ( and i only play 7 matches per day )
so… yeah.
also, as said to shiibex, devs also included them. weather they are usefull or not for you, those are for others.
denying it all you want.
a good % will dump it. yes.
because it’s not a tank hunter.
and just because people do not use it properly, doesn’t mean the tool it’s self is useless.
because even if 1 among 1000 would use it usefull it’s gonna be beneficial for his own sake and the team ( as long he use it correctly ).
( which, even if he doesn’t, he is still allow to use it. )
it’s not like everything evolves around you, you know?
If only 1/1000000 or 14% use it then it doesnt seems to have a great impact on the battle outcome or even the personal experience.
I am sorry that I dont consider 14% of the people who dig holes. Im yet to see any battle where I meet those 14%, which we won/ lost because of the shovel though.
because.
it doesn’t need to ?
*gasp
even worse,
i know this might be a new concept for you, and at the same time, some revelation.
but there are people out there experiencing or having fun with those said " useless tools " because they can, and have all rights.
which i’m sorry to break it to you, but the uselessnes that you are talking about, it’s pretty much subjective to you and not objective for everyone else.
it’s not like those will be removed just for you i’m afraid hun.
so yeah, here’s that i suppose.
and, it doesn’t really change much to me if use something that you think it’s useless.
ain’t gonna stop me from using it for sure.
Fun and Useful are two different things.
I like to fly with my Premium Moscow BF109. Not because its a good plane, hell no. Because I like the plane and I love to fly in Moscow. I also like to use historical loadouts, even if it affects my “efficiency”. Not because it’s useful, but because I like to play like that. I love the Panzer III M. and IV combo, though I could switch to the Tiger or Panther.
And so-and-so on.
My point is: I don’t call my play style useful (still I am mostly at the top which I find concerning). I don’t say people should stop digging holes and I wouldn’t be against the M13 spam if it wouldn’t affect the ticket rate.
But it’s all not efficient, useful whatever, at least 9/10 times. I don’t ANY reason to call it useful except in D-Day where I saw twice how Axis people dig a trench on the two bunker gates at the first point. But even that is rare and doesnt gice exp which is why people prefer Obi Wan the Shermans or use TNT instead of blocking the entrace. What is better here is up to your selflessness, I guess
If DF decides to remove the shovels and M13 trmw, only you and maybe another digger would complain and everybody would be glad to get the M2 instead of the M13 or wouldn’t care. The same goes for the U2. I would be sad for one day and would spend the refund somewhere else then.
as long it’s achieving a purpouse for even " dumb " it might sound to you, it’s still serving an use.
( whether giving satisfaction or achieving kills )
o-okay?
that’s very much unrelated to what has been said up until this point quite frankly.
which, speaking of:
i do apologize for my initial answer.
which can be considered off topic. as i just pointed out a " fun fact " of many users that claimed of halftracks being pointless, ( when in just two days it has been proven that they are not ) and now people demanding for nerf.
which, no. i do not think the M13 should be nerfed.
because it’s meant to be effective against infantry and airplanes. and i’m sorry to sound rude, but it is kinda your fault for charging a letal vehicle full front and than whine about it when he actually kill you and your soldiers.
that’s entirely a different thing i’m afraid.