First, don’t pretend that germany doesn’t have enough.
The issue with a WW2 game such as enlisted, is it cannot reproduce actual history. As we all know the germans lost the war. They’re equipment got significantly worse toward the end. We do not see this in-game, in-game germany can use infinite amounts of the best/most advanced guns, weaponry, and vehicles with no decline. The game needed some form of artificial balance here due to this. Next, if the war continued on even for just a year, the allies’ weaponry/equipment would of advanced anyways. With the as44 and t20 already made and plans to be mass produced there is nothing wrong with adding these to tech trees.
Enough of what ?
If this is yet again somekind of ridiculous argument of GE having the most of useless duplicate sht and therefor they dont “need” anything.
Im all in to add soviets ppsh 70mag 69mag 68mag and so on.
You probably get the point ?
But this applies to germans only ?
And please, we have this thing called artificial balancing.
For no apparent reason the ppsh stick mag still has dispersion similar to sniper stg44.
Regardless if we’re being historical here, that gun was probably more accurated as throwable.
But ingame its comparable to sniper ?
And as counterpart soviets are using weapons that never were used in combat.
Like what kind of argument that even is ?
Guns that never ever saw combat, fits your “historical narrative” Or “identity” im kind of losing your point here.
You care to mention “hypocrite” again please ?
Except thats the point.
Soviets have just as much of advanced weapons, regardless they were never used, no one knows such even existed.
so your “identity” argument is slightly biased.
According to who? The designer died before the Soviets could even finish trial so which source(s) states that the ASS44 was intended to be mass produced soon?
And there so many great plans to mass produce the T20 that they never planned massive numbers at the end of WW2 and let it dust after the war while they actually mass produced the M2 in 1945.
The comment was more referring to the t20. But it’s pretty logical and common sense these weapons were the next step. T20 for sure as it was the precursor to m14 and there were plans set in motion to start producing them at end of war.
I agree that certain stats should be adjusted in the russian line up. However the equipment itself is perfectly reasonable. Honestly i wouldn’t even really care if the as44 never made it to TT and only had the federov. It’s already in game though and it’s not going anywhere. I’m 100% against germans getting more captured russian guns though. I’m really upset about the TT ppsh they got but again, it’s there and not leaving. Just don’t want to see more. Would be much better for them to implement a gun that germany actually made or from one of the nations they conquered
Idk, just checked and my GE TT doesnt have ppsh.
But I do see fausts in sovjet tree.
And as sidenote, since your mental gymnastic argument allows weapons such as T20 & AK47 to exist because “there were plans”
Id like to remind there were also plans to convert captured ppsh’s to fire 9mm.
Which was ditched as idea due to ppsh being able to fire domestically made 7.63 mauser just fine.
It was more than just plans. They were actually real guns.
…Look again. It’s there. Literally has PPSH 41 in It’s name
Yes I’m aware. This isn’t a great philosophy for the game though. Everyone was using the other’s guns at some point. I’m okay with rare exceptions like 1 or 2 event guns given out like how we got the mp-41(r), just against having total access in TT.
How many times do i have to supply sources of the t20 going into production? Have i not already shown you?
And yes this is common sense. We know for a fact the u.s. was planning on trying to copy the stg for themselves. We know automatic rifles and ARs were the next step for u.s…truly shocking sometimes
For some odd reason im fairly sure there were by far more captured PPSh’s in use with captured ammo or with 7.63 mauser ammo.
Idk how many ppsh were converted to 9mm but im pretty sure there was more of them than T20’s.
or even AK47.
I believe the subject of this topic as the german name designations apply is the actual ppsh41.
Rather than obrez joke that no one asked for.
So wheres the german ppsh ?
Soviets already have 2 fausts.
Already told you I’m against this, and is not a good reason to keep doing it.
Without a doubt. There were 100 t20 rifles made during the war with 100,000 more on the way. With a bit of common sense I can safely say there were more captured ppsh 41’s than t20s. Won’t be a D-bag and say “there’s no sources for that”. Key difference here is, the t20 was actually designed and created by u.s.
Why can’t y’all just find an alternative? Why does it HAVE to be the most iconic russian gun you want?
Obviously you can be against what ever you want.
But so far your “arguments” such as “identity” or “historical” doesnt really fit here.
“Nine additional models of the T20 Rifle have been completed and eight shipped in accordance with instructions from…(the Ordnance Department)… Work on this project continues to receive the highest priority in the Model Shop. It is understood that on completion of tests of the T20E1 at Ft. Benning a conference will be held at the Armory with representatives of (the Ordnance Department), Army Ground Forces and Ft. Benning to discuss proposed changes to be incorporated into the T20E2 model. It is anticipated that as a result of the Benning tests, modifications will be made to some components now in process for the order of 100 rifles.”
Production plans for the selective-fire (T20E2) revealed some important and subsequently influential assumptions. First, and foremost, Armory engineers insisted that 85 percent of the standard production tooling for the M1 rifle could be used in the fabrication of the (T20E2). In other words, they believed that it would be relatively easy to manufacture the T20E2. Furthermore, they insisted that it would not be much more expensive to manufacture than the M1. An Ordnance Technical Committee estimate suggested that the new rifle would be only slightly more costly than its predecessor. With all of this said, it was estimated in May 1945 that deliveries of the (T20E2) would not begin until January of the next year because it was ‘a new experimental gun that had never been made.’
Dunno, did not find anything that would even remotely resemble number 100.000
But then again its not really my task to prove such existed is it ?
