The bf 109's are repetetive

I have played alot of axis in this game, and one thing that always bothered me was that there were very little variation in the bf 109’s. They all ended up feeling mostly the same.

Including premiums, there are 11 bf 109’s in game (+1 from gold vehicle order in normandy). 8 of which are of the G series…

  • 3 of those are the exact same G-6 variant with 4x50kg bombs with the exact same stats (including the premium one which is just a scam)(the gold order is also the same G-6).

  • 2 are of the G-10 variant and have underwing mounted 20 mm cannons, these also have the same stats.

  • 2 have underwing mounted 30 mm cannons. These are slightly more acceptable as one is a G-10 and one is a G-14, and they are both premiums in different campaign’s. But the price is still fucking bonkers so i will include them in this list of complaints.

  • And 1 is a G-14 without any underwing cannons or bombs, making it worse than the G-6 with 4x50kg bombs you unlock earlier in the campaign. Since the G-14 is maybe 5% better in terms of flight stats (this is very generous), but lacks ground attack capabilities

It is important to remember that despite the bf 109 G series being able to replace the nose mounted 20 mm cannon with a 30 mm, not a single one of the ones in game have this. As the 30mm’s in enlisted seem to be very effective at immedietly decimating planes, they should be far from on every plane. However, it would be nice to atlest have it on the G-14 without bombs/gunpods in Berlin, as then it would maybe actually be an upgrade from the G-6 depending on playstyle instead of a downgrade.

The G-6 variant also had the ability to strap 2 Wfr.Gr.21 rockets to it. I would say that 2 Wfr.Gr.21 rockets are atleast somewhat comparable to 4x50kg’s, making it a essentially sidegrade (they might be slightly better but not by much as it is only 2). Switching out the 50kg’s on one of the 3 G-6’s, or atleast the premium one so that you dont pay alot of money FOR THE EXACT SAME FUCKING AIRCRAFT would help alot in making them atleast somewhat different.

Moscow is slightly better as the F-1, F-2 and E-7/U2 are the only ones in game of those models, and they all possess different guns/cannons with different ammo counts. however, they still all have 4x50kg bombs. To my knowledge the F-1 and E-7/U2 had limited possibilities in terms of bomb loudouts so they are fine in my eyes. but it is a shame that despite the F-2 having a better cannon with more ammo, it still feels the same as the F-1.

It would be nice if the F-2 had its 8 x RZ.65 rockets. These rockets possess little in terms of explosvie mass making them worse than 4x50kg’s in ground attacks. But if put on a timer, say 300 meters, they would be effective in an anti air role. This would also be just a sidegrade, not making the F-2 more powerfull, but making it different from the F-1 so that you could choose which one you like depending on your playstyle.

(Disclaimer: i am not a history expert and everything in this post is taken directly from the War Thunder wiki. Also i am not asking for any direct buffs of the bf 109 as a whole, only variation, and the usability of the G-14 in Berlin)

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I just use them to bust tanks with the 50kg bombs and planes with the cannons, so I don’t care how many are in the game unless there were better German fighters in those theaters IRL that could replace some of these Bf 109 variations.

I have two questions:

  1. can the rockets destroy tanks?
  2. can the 30mm cannons destroy tanks?
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the RZ.65 rockets cannot as this was not their purpose. and the Wfr.Gr.21 rockets can heavily damage early game tanks if you hit, but it is very inconsistent so they are better as anti infantry i would say. which is why i proposed them as a sidegrade

they should be able to but the damage models in game are ass so they dont. but they are atleast better than the 20mm

but as i mentioned in the post you are still able to choose to use the bf’s with 50kg’s, this is more for other playstyles. An alternative would be to implement Pb2 rockets as they are very good against armor, but i am unsure how widespread they were on bf’s as they only seem to be on the FW 190 F-8 in WT

it’s ironic because thought out the whole war, germany didn’t invaded half of the Europe with just bf109s and above all, not with just the same ammount of varients like enlisted depict.

just saying.

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everything mentioned in the post is in WT. dont think it would be to much of a stretch to implement it in Enlisted

take me with you I have to tell the Italian engineers that wee need better tanks for the game

Wfr.Gr.21 rockets can one shot the Jumbo from the side if you direct hit it. Should therefore be able to kill most tanks in most campaigns.

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i can confirm.