Considering that the Beretta 1918 got its bayonet folded out recently, I think it’s also time for it to receive three more changes to make it reflect reality better:
Make it semi-automatic, the Beretta 1918 never had full auto capabilities, it’s the OVP that was the SMG derivative of the Villar-Perosa.
Reclassify it as a PCC, like the Beretta 1918/30 as it’s in the same family as the 1918.
Model it to be open bolt, unlike the Beretta 1918/30, it’s not a closed bolt firearm, it’s open bolt, and the model and animations should reflect that. (In fact the bolt doesn’t seem to be able to move at all)
(4). It should probably also be renamed to the Revelli-Beretta as some sources claim that “Beretta 1918” is a modern post-hoc name.
This thread has sources and it would be unfair if I just took them so I’ll link it instead:
(Even though the term “Historical accuracy” isn’t appropriate)
Enlisted already has a level one Beretta 1918/30 semi auto in the game,
so their is no reason to change the M1918 and have two Beretta 1918
semi auto’s.
And we already have a full auto in the OVP 1918, so by your logic there’s no reason to keep it either…
I’d rather we try our best to actually have a gun with a specific name reflect that gun rather than just make shit up. And the 1918/30 is a battlepass weapon, the 1918 is a TT weapon, they don’t really compete in the same way…
The German player base will not like the change, since the Beretta 1918 is the preferred weapon when competing with the PPS/Uragans, so you can get this done but be prepared for the flood of forum/reddit posts wanting the change reverted
(They could also just model a 2nd trigger for the Beretta 1918, since prototype full auto variants with duel triggers did exist)
Well, then should we change the BAR to an automatic rifle so it can be properly represented? I’d be fine with that as I can stock my three nine man rifle squads with BAR1918A2’s.
Have people just forgotten that the OVP 1918 exists?
We would need a completely new model then… And we don’t know what the prototype looked like, we only know what the MIDA 1918 looked like:
And they would have to replace the Beretta with the MIDA, or just add the MIDA to the TT. The more the merrier I’d say. (And yes, that’s a Carcano 1891 bayonet lug)
That’s a completely different subject, but I would argue that the BAR is not an automatic Battle Rifle like the automatic “semi-autos”, but in the modern sense a Squad Automatic Weapon, or a Squad Support Weapon, or a Light Support Weapon. Basically an automatic weapon that is used for light suppressive fire when needed. Modern examples would be the M27 IAR, L86, RPK etc.
It’s not as good, I think the sights suck worse then the M1918 IMOP. I doubt it would get removed as the German player base would be in an uproar. They did have a prototype of the M1918 based off the 1918/30 design with the magazine on the bottom but still had the high ROF, so, since the Dev’s like experimental weapons, then lets remove the M1918 and replace it with the experimental one, which would have better sights and be a better gun in the game.
My point was more that if they have eyes, and some humility, they’d just switch to the OVP. And I very much disagree that the sights are worse, if anything the Beretta sights suck.
And they did change the G43 Kurz, and are gonna change the Fyodorov 1912.
No one uses the OVP, so that should tell you something. And like I said above, they did have an experimental M1918 with the magazine on the bottom, with the same high rate of fire, so, lets get rid of the M1918 as you wish, and replace it with the experimental one I desire. The Dev’s have already littered the game with experimental and prototype weapons so it should fit seamlessly in the game, and, should make you and the German playing faction happy.
It would have even better sights than either of them because no top mag.
But again, the OVP is not different enough to completely ruin their playstyle if the Beretta would be removed or changed, it’s just that they prefer it.
From what I would gather it would more or less just be the 1918/30 but fully auto. The ones I saw a while back could be the same pictures your showing I’m not sure, but I had created a post a long time ago requesting that the Dev’s consider adding that one in the game. It would have much better sights then both the current M1918 and OVP, and would more then likely assure that neither the current M1918 or the OVP would get used. If they added that, I doubt that the German faction would be so upset about it. They already have an M1918 premium squad, so that would have to either be excluded or changed
Don’t worry, I’m not offended. I just knew I had made a post about it quite a while back. I don’t know side by side how much different it looks compared to the 1918/30, but if they are pretty similar the Dev’s wouldn’t have to do much to the model and just make the prototype of the fully auto version with the magazine on the bottom. I have one premium squad that uses the M1918. It’s not great, but better then the OVP, however, if it were more like the 1918/30, but fully auto it would be a great squad.
Because back in the day depending on country and even decade, there was no real standardized terminology for things like this. Like I said before:
And back when the BAR was made, light machine gun didn’t mean the same as nowadays. The old definition of light machine gun was basically any machine gun that wasn’t mounted. The modern definition however, is a machine gun that uses assault rifle or intermediate rifle ammunition and which is basically only used by infantry.
And the reason why the BAR wouldn’t be an automatic battle rifle nowadays is because of its purpose, that of a Squad Automatic Weapon. It’s the same reason as to why the L86 isn’t an assault rifle but a Light Support Weapon.
And make shit up? That’s Gaijin’s middle name.
sorry