Why MG42 and MG34 have less recoil than BAR？ They perform much better than BAR， Whether it’s the firing rate or the more ammo。
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Generally LMGs are in a werid place.
I would say this is the most unpolished weapon class in the game currently.
Well, Perhaps germans are more better trained 
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Yeah, the 1x/1x recoil of MG34/42 is insanely OP. I have played MG34 on Berlin, it’s just so handy. And also more ammo than BAR and DP27.
Compare the bar better to the Breda Mod. 30. In most cases in this game a heavy gun means less recoil and the MG 34/42 with over 20lbs profit from this, but weight seems also to degcrease the soldies speed.
And actually the muzzleclimb in game is wirse than irl.
MG3 Untrained G.I’s first time:
FN MAG/ 240B:
My personal result was 6/11/8 of 15 in Belt on target @25m with an MG3…and the MG3 and me was a hate-love relationship, there were guy really more proficient with it.
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I know heavier is more tend to have less recoil. But this is an arcade game and need balance. Also game can be “fake” if it need to. Like Berlin map’s German airfoce.
Because germans are better trained.
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For this reason the vertical recoil is already bumped up a considerable amount.
Yeah, going rambo is possible in essencialy melee range. Starting at 25 yards you
have to do short bursts and with luck the secon bullet is still on target. And that’s enugh because one bullet will down the target.
But what people are asking for is that even the first bullet should miss because of the recoil.
And the comparission between the BAR and the MG 34/42 limps on one leg. Yes the MG has a 50rnd
drum but the bar can reload 2 1/2 time in the time it needs to reload the drum of the MG 42.
What is your problem with it?
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I never ask the first bullet to have a recoil. That’s the “bullet deviation” attribute, which is hiden in the weapon files.
But what do you think of MG34 has 2.5x more bullet per mag and 1/2.5 recoil of DP27 and 1/2 recoil of BAR? MG34 dosent need to frequent reload, 50 bullets make it unneccesary to consider its reload time. It’s very enough to deal with most scenarios.
Also do you think in real life German airforce was existed in the end of April 1945? The game still includes it for balance.
Stating this game is “arcade” is very untrue. The whole point of the game is to bring a realistic experience.
There will be unfair advantages and disadvantages depending on the subject because they want it historically accurate. Trying to make the game historically accurate and balance the stuff out can be extremely tough.
- The MG34 only has 3 bullets more in it’s drum than the DP27 in it’s mag. but reloads 2sec(MG34)
respectively 3sec (MG42) faster - The lower rate of fire which the DP27 has makes it very controlable with its recoil. While the MG 34 has
a pretty high chance of missing already the second round the DP 27 has no problem to bring home
two bullets on30-50m distance if you counteract the recoil just slightly.
The lower theroretical recoil of the MG34 gets counteracted by it’s high rate of fire which is more a burden than useful.
- The BAR is no machine gun efen if it’s the weapon of the uS machine gunner besides the Bren. It’s an
automatic rifle.This is reflected by SMG fast reload, and SMG type mobility for the soldier who carries it.
Run from point a to point B with a BAR gunner and a MG 34 gunner. Even if the same class of soldier
uses it, the weapon is not in the same role. - The BAR is far from difficult to control in bursts, too. You completely miss to connect recoil with rate of
fire
Ok…it’s clear that you haven’t unlocked the MG34. The DP 27 has a 47 shot pan mag, reloads considerable faster and has a way more useful rof. The rof is just at the sweetspot between the low rof
of a Madsen or the Breda Mod. 30 and the ammo waste rof of the MG34/42. The high rate of fireof these two would be useful with an mounted gun on larger distances but not in the envirenment of Enlisted maps.
If you would take a look at stuff besides the lmgs you could see that maybe it isn’t inteded at all to have perfectly balance on a micro level. Do you think the Jumbo Sherman is balanced with the Pt. IV H? The US sniper rifle has a historical incorrect x8 scope while the germans only have x4 (the scope in question was only used by the USMC while the Army used a x2.2 and a few x5 glasses). The German MP40 is a good weapon but put ashame by the soviet buzzsaws whose recoil is more than pleasant. Or compare the German AT rifles in the moscow campaign to the soviet ones.
April 21. 1945: Luftwaffe “accidently” bombs a soviet convoy which transports german POWs from the
OKH
April 27. 1945: Luftwaffe bombs the oder bridge at Küstrin to cut off soviet supply. Dense clouds prevents
the bridge from being hit. Fw 190 were assigned for figter protection.
the target.
During the whole Berlin Operation which ended with the cities capitulation in the morning May 2nd, the Soviet airforce lost 527 planes in 1.317 airfights and shhot down 1.132 German planes. The last confirmed german flight took place in the afternoon of April 27th. A recon plane.
Maybe I would be careful with claiming stuff if I have no idea what I’m talking about. Obstinately
maintaining wrong facts doesn’t help your arguments.
This is what the recoil of DP27 and MG34 is. standing fire, without any control.
MG34 can shoot nearly 10 bullets hit on target while DP27 only hit 3 shots.
More than double recoil make it very hard to control its recoil.
If the gun can’t hit the target, is there any meaning to talk about its other advantages? DP27 waste more bullets to hit a target, while MG34 can hit and kill in the very first few bullets.
So u just want to nerf MGs to the ground so you can both role in Moscow and Berlin with PPD and PPsh?
Maybe don’t use the closest target next time.
and
The targets you chose are hipfire distance anyways but nontheless it’s obvious which mg is more controlable. The DP has 44? 45? of its 47 bullets on target while the MG34’s can be controlled in the vertical but will breakout in the horizontal. And If you would’ve shot hat the last two rows of targets the 1-2 shot burst i talked of would show.
Besides choosing cqb targets you didn’t even try to counteract the recoil! But also you gif shows that despite what the numbers say the DP’s recoil is nearly pure vertical and as such easy to counteract.
So despite the MG 34 having less recoil in pure stats, becomes less controlable in concert with its rof.
You “wasting bullets to hit” argument is nonsensical because it’s well placed rof and mainly vertical recoil leads to less bullets pernot more. And the MG34 as wel as the DP can hit and kill with the FIRST bullet.
eeehr it’s futile because it seems you have a grudge against one specific weapon no matter the facts.
If talk is about balancing MGs its as well about the DP like about the MG34/34/Breda/Madsen/Bren.
If we are talking about MGs balance between each other…I personally would prefere the DP27 as an MG and probably the MG13 and BAR as overgloryfied semi autos.
But overall I’m fine with the LMGs right now. Yes probably any MG even the chauchat is better than a bolt action rifle. But you only have one in a normal and 2 in a LMG squad. The LMG also does not replace the SMGs in my opinion because for my preference the hit on movement speed is to harsh for what I want to do with an assauler and even if the SMG needs two bullets to kill…the PPDs don’t care they are just better in everything up to midrange