I mean it can be, but different people have different ideas of what assymetrical balance looks like.
Yep. But kinda funny when this guy says it.
Spaced armour is LESS effective than solid - and even 2 plates placed right next to each other are less effective than a single thickness.
What made hte 2 pdr ineffective was the Germans were using face hardened armour, and the Brits only had solid shot - with no softer cap.
Curious where the idea that the T-34 had poor optics comes from - AFAIK Soviet optics in 1940 was as good as anywhere in the world, except for hte newly invented “coated” optics from Germany.
Indeed Zeiss had set up a microscope factory for them in Leningrad - so it’s not like they didn’t have access to the very best of pre-coating technology.
It is possible some tanks were sent into battle without all the required equipment so might have been missing their sights - some times/places were like that for hte Soviets in 1941!
The air gap in between makes it more effective as the first plate makes the shell deform before the second plate gets hit.
This is true, but for the air gap, that is more effective.
Germany was the only nation with truly good optics at the time
In the case of the Pz 3 that is true because the front plate was hardened - but face hardened armour does this with or without a gap - as long as the projectile hitting it doesn’t have a penetrating cap (ie APC).
And in modern composite armour it is carefully angled to create alternating stresses on long-rod penetrators to break them up.
WW2 penetrators hitting hardened plate broke up for a different reason - they broke up because the instantaneous stress on the tip of the projectile hitting a hard plate was too much for it and the projectile would shatter.
However hardened armour has no ductility - it does not “bend” or flow - so if it fails to defeat the projectile then it shatters. AP caps on projectiles proved to be an easy way to defeat FH armour - the softer metal spreads the impact over the full face of hte projectile, so the stresses are lower and it does not shatter. Now it is the FH armour shatters (assuming the projectile penetrates of course) - and so becomes useless.
The one thing that a spaced plate might do is detonate the filler of a APHE round outside hte main armour - but hte British were not using APHE so that didn’t matter.
The Pz3 armour was good enough vs the 2 Pdr - but it would have been better without the gap, and better still (vs monobloc shot) if it was a single plate with face hardening rather than 2 plates - 1 hard, 1 homogenous.
Only by modern standards - every one had “good optics” by the standards of the day.
This stuff is true, that it is more effective.
However, the spacing did help as well thanks to the larger gap. That’s all I am saying. I know how face hardening works. However, most of that stuff isn’t modelled in game and there are simple modifiers, and after penetrating one armor plate, the velocity and penetration get reduced, as well as a change of the angle of the shell, and if the plate is thick enough in case of the pz3, the shell also starts creating spalling at the cost of more armor penetration, leading to a lower effective penetration thanks to the air gap.
This is also how the spaced armor works on stuff like the AMX-42, even though that was mainly intended against HEAT
russian tanks are already op in moscow, no need for a t-34
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Pzer 4e only needs one good shot on any russian tank in moscow, it pwns.
If the damage model is like warthunder I’d fancy myself against t34s with 75mm short heat or 50mm apbc or whatever it is warthunder. Both guns can tackle the t34 from any angle. That turret ring is a sweetspot
Early T-34 were more deadly to their crews than enemy small cramped turret and no turret basket!
Enlisted only uses common ammo. As such, we do not get HEAT for the Pz4.
Furthermore, you should consider more than just the top tanks on either side as there currently is no matchmaker to separate the Pz2C or Pz3B/E from that T-34.
Soviet mains complained that their T-60 couldn’t reliably penetrate the Pz2C Late that we used to have in game for ages and was in War Thunder for ages as well, and then the Pz2C Late got converted into the Pz2C Early with the removal of the 10mm extra frontal armor. Meanwhile they ask for T-34s and KV-1s which would be way, WAY worse for the Germans than the Pz2C Late ever was for them.
T-34 41:
- Poor visibility for commander
- Can’t shoot on the move with 4-man crew
- Available at higher level due to poor availability
There ya go. Balanced.