Hear me out I am a huge fan of Forgotten weapon and I love Ians work I am a little Bias. He uplaoded a couple videos talking about the 1930s weapon testing In japan for Self loading rifles between the Gas powered Pederson Rifle ( Type Hei) and the Type Otsu (Japanese ZH-29) and the Type Ko (Penderson copy with a rotary mag)
The Type Ko was the army’s design so I love how its a gold Squad!
The Type Otsu was apparently the WORSE of the three in testing. The Type Hei was the best performing by far in the trials. I do not understand why the Type Otsu is gotten later in the game. They Type Hei should be switched with the Otsu in the campaign. Given that the other design of the Type Hei with the extended mag is a gold weapon and far better then the Otsu currently it would make sense to switch the Hei later in the campaign.
Also a weird thing is that Otsu says it has worse stats aside from the power of the round then the Type Hei yet the Type Otsu handles like a dream. If you look at the stats the Otsu’s vertical recoil is way worse then the Type hei but Otsu is more accurate.
The otsu feels like firing a bolt action just without damage, rounds go straight and fast and has clean sights on par with japanese bolt actions the hei isn’t those, it’s statistically better, but feels worse
This statement is debatable, as the Ko was worse according to some sources. The Otsu’s issues come with the reliability of the bolt due to the weakness of the locking system, while the Ko had issues with jamming as it was extracting at high pressure, but the army did not know they needed to lubricate the ammo. Either way yes, the Type Hei was the best of the bunch. However, in game things like reliability and maintenance are not factors, and guns run to perfection without any faults. Thus, when you look at the raw stats, the Type Otsu’s raw stats should in theory be better than the Type Hei and Type Ko, as the they both utilized a toggle lock inspired(directly copied in the case of the Type Ko) by the Pederson rifle, and due to that system taking a longer time to cycle than the Zh-29 inspired bolt of the Type Otsu, it has a higher ROF in game (The Pederson has an identical ROF to most other semi-autos for some reason, probably lazy devs but at least they got it right here). Thus, the Type Otsu is arguably better in game, and is placed later. Granted, the Otsu could never take a 10 round mag and was always stuck at 5 while the Ko had a 10 round internal, and the Hei had magazines that went up to 20. If you also look at the datamined stats, you will find the Type Hei is the most accurate of any semi-auto gun, which is also historically accurate.
Mondragon is a Mexican rifle, why would the Japanese have it? Furthermore, the Japanese actually deployed the Type Hei and Otsus to Okinawa, while the Type 4/5 remained on the home islands for the entire war.
I have never read anything about the Japanese ordering anything of the sort, and the Chinese claim is iffy at best. Mexico is a strange case in WW2 and anything involving them typically requires a few grains of salt.
But they actually used them, so we should be allowed to unlock them. Type 4/5 in the tech tree is also fine, just don’t remove the Type Hei or Otsu if you are going to do it because both of them make more sense.
Fair, but the Type Hei and Otsu are still more period accurate than the Type 4/5, and a better unlock than a captured Carbine or Garand
They also bought a few a pedersen rifles, farquhar hill rifles, or a french RSC-17 rifles for the tests. they’ve choose pedersen and copied its “innards”, and called “type ko”… Same with Zh-29 and type otsu…
another interesting thing about the ostu is that it’s reload is extremely quick with the only unupgraded weapons being able to challenge it if not outright out reload it being pistols
Push comes to shove, there are still the long variants of the Type Hei and Otsu (Type Hei long 27.2", Type Otsu long 25.6"), which hopefully will be introduced with their 10-round magazines. Additionally, there is a variant of the Type Hei that appears to accommodate a scope mount on the left-hand side, which is promising for introducing something closer to peer to the M1C.
For reference, the in-game Type Ko is the long version (26.5"), so we can also get a short Type Ko as well (22.5").
If we are going to complain, I remind you that the Hei rifle had cartridges from 5 bullets to 20, if you want to make the exchange, I would put the Otsu first, the Hei with 10 bullets as a superior weapon to the Otsu and the gold version that it has 20 bullets and still be as slow as 10 or even a little slower to make up for it
