Suggetion for East-Asian War: The Shanghai Campaign

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I find some information about Chinese Sniper Rifles!
According to this article, Chinese imported 120x sniper rifle from Germany. It was called Mauser M24 Heavy-Barrel Shotgun (actually it was rifle, not shotgun) This sniper rifle will be “FN Model 24”, a one of the variation of Gewehr 98. Additionally, Chinese also received Remington Model 30 with sniper scope from US during the Battle of Shanghai.
“抗战时期——狙击手的作用有多大？”

While I find lots of information, I made campaign progress table of both army! I hope someone interested to this sheet.

Campaign Progress Table
Lv Japan China
1 [Rifle] 30th Year Type Infantry Rifle
[Rifle] Type 38 Carbine
[SniperRifle] Type 38 Modified Sniper Rifle (*1)
[AFV] Japanese Carden-Loyd Tankette Mk VIb
[Infantry1] 3rd Division, 6th Infantry Regiment
[Sniper1] 101st Division, 101st Infantry Regiment
[Tanker1] Shanghai SNLF, Tank Unit		 [Rifle] Hanyang Type 88 Rifle
[Rifle] First-Year Type Rifle
[SniperRifle] FN Model 24 w/ Scope (*2)
[AFV] Chinese Carden-Loyd Tankette Mk VI
[Infantry1] Shanghai Security Corps (*3)
[Sniper1] 88th Division, 524th Regiment
[Tanker1] NRA Tank Battalion, 3rd Company
2 [Grenade] Molotov Cocktail
[SMG] Steyr-Solothurn S1-100 (7.63 mm)
[Assaulter1] Shanghai SNLF, 1st Battalion		 [Grenade] Molotov Cocktail
[SMG] Erma EMP
[Assaulter1] 87th Division, 259th Regiment
P [Infantry1] 1st Destroyer Squadron NLF
[Rifle] 35th Year Type Naval Rifle		 [Infantry 1] Independent 34th Brigade
[Rifle] Mannlicher M1895
3 [Grenade] Type 91 Grenade
[Rifle] Type 44 Carbine
[Engineer1] 1st Independent Engineer Regiment		 [Grenade] Chinese Stielhandgranate
[Rifle] Xuantong 3rd Year Type Rifle (*4)
[Engineer1] Insert any engineer unit here
4 [Handgun] Type 94 Pistol
[Fighter] Type 95 Fighter Model I (Ki-10-I Perry)
[FighterP1] 3rd Air Brigade, 6th Independent Flight Company		 [Handgun] Hanyang/Mauser C96
[Fighter] Curtis Hawk II
[FighterP1] ROCAF 5th Battalion
5 [SMG] SIG-Bergmann M1920 (7.63 mm) [SMG] Chinese Bergmann MP18 (7.63 mm)
P [AFV] Type 92 Heavy Armored Car
15th Division, Reconnaissance Unit		 [AFV] Vickers-Carden-Loyd light amphibious tank
[Tanker] NRA Tank Battalion, 2nd Company
6 [Rifle] Type 38 Infantry Rifle
[Radio1] Shanghai Dispatch Signal Unit		 [Rifle] Zhongzheng Rifle
[Radio1] Insert any signal unit here
7 [Grenade] Explosion pack
[Handgun] 14th Year Type Pistol
[Attacker] Type 94 Carrier-Based Bomber (D1A1 Susie)
[AttackerP1] 1st Carrier Division, HIJMS Kaga Air Squadron		 [Grenade] Explosion pack
[Handgun] Lugar P08
[Attacker] Northrop Gamma 2EC
[AttackerP1] ROCAF 2nd Battalion
8 [AFV] Vickers-Crossley Armored Car [AFV] Sd Kfz 221
9 [LMG] 11th Year Type Light Machine Gun
[Gunner1] 1st Independent Machine Gun Battalion		 [LMG] FM 24/29
[Gunner1] Insert any machine gun unit here
10 [Sidecar] Type 97 Motorcycle with Sidecar (11th Year Type LMG)
[Rider] 3rd Cavalry Regiment		 [Sidecar] Zündapp K800 with Sidecar
[Rider] Insert any recon unit here
11 [SMG] Bergmann MP28 (7.63 mm) [SMG] Bergmann MP28 (7.63 mm)
12 [AFV] Type 94 Light Armored Car [AFV] Panzer I
P [Fighter] Type 95 Fighter Model 2 (Ki-10-II Perry)
[FighterP] 3rd Air Brigade, 4th Independent Flight Company		 [Fighter] Fiat CR.32
[FighterP] ROCAF 3rd Battalion
13 [LMG] Type 96 Light Machine Gun [LMG] SIG KE7
14 [Mortar] 10th Year Type Grenade Discharger
[Mortarman] 11th Division, 12th Infantry Regiment		 [Mortar] Type 27 Grenade Discharger (*5)
[Mortarman] 3rd Artillery Regiment
15 [Fighter] Type 96 Mark 1 Carrier-Based Fighter (A5M1 Claude)
[FighterP2] IJN 2nd Combined Air Group		 [Fighter] Curtis Hawk III
[FighterP2] ROCAF 4th Battalion
16 [SniperRifle] Type 97 Sniper Rifle [SniperRifle] Remington Model 30 w/ Scope
17 [Rifle] Type 38 R w/ Type 91 Rifle Grenade Launcher (*6)
[Trooper2] 13th Division, 58th Infantry Regiment		 [Rifle] Kar98k w/ Schiessbecher grenade launcher (*7)
[Trooper2] 19th Division, 113th Regiment
P [Rifle] Mauser Rifle Model II (*8)
[Trooper] 3rd Division, 3rd Engineer Regiment		 [Rifle] Lebel Model 1886 rifle
[Trooper] Insert any engineer unit here
18 [Flamethrower] Type 93 Flamethrower
[Flametrooper] 8th Independent Engineer Regiment		 [Flamethrower] Flammenwerfer 35 (*9)
[Flametrooper] Insert anything here
19 [Attacker] Type 98 Light Bomber (Ki-32 Mary) [Attacker] Vultee V-11
20 [LMG] Lewis/Type 92 Light Machine Gun
[GunnerII] HIJMS Izumo NLF		 [LMG] ZB vz. 26
[GunnerII] Insert any machine gun unit here
21 [Rifle] Type 38 Infantry Rifle, Pre-War Production
[Engineer2] Independent 12th Engineer Regiment		 [Rifle] 4th Year Type Rifle
[Engineer2] Insert any engineer unit here
22 [AFV] Type 89 Medium Tank Mod Ko / Early
[Tanker2] 5th Tank Regiment		 [AFV] Vickers 6-ton tank Mk E Type B
[Tanker2] NRA Tank Battalion 1st Company
23 [Mortar] Type 89 Grenade Discharger [LMG] Lahti-Saloranta M/26
24 [Attacker] Type 96 Mark 1 Ground-Based Attacker (Mitsubishi G3M1 Nell)
[AttackerP2] 1st Combined Air Group		 [Attacker] Martine 139W
[AttackerP2] ROCAF 8th Battalion
25 [SMG] Experimental Model 1 SMG (*10)
[Assaulter 2] China Garrison 2nd Regiment (*11)		 [SMG] Chinese Thompson SMG
[Assaulter 2] 88th Division, 264th Regiment
26 [Semi-Auto Rifle] Experimental Automatic Rifle Ko (*12)
[Radio2] 6th Division, Signal Unit		 [Semi-Auto Rifle] ZH-29
[Radio2] Insert any signal unit here
27 [AFV] Type 89 Medium Tank Ko / Late Vickers 6-ton tank Mk E Type B w/Radio
Notes

notes
NRA: National Revolutionary Army
IJN: Imperial Japanese Navy
IJA: Imperial Japanese Army
SNLF: Special Naval Landing Force
NLF: Naval Landing Force
HIJMS: His Imperial Japanese Majesty’s Ship
XX式: Type XX
XX年式: XX Year Type
XX号: Mark XX
XX型: Model XX

*1: In that time, this weapon was not adopted yet.
*2: Chinese imported 120x Mauser M24 and its sniper scope in 1935. Reference
*3: 上海市保安總團. Chinese security forces set up in accordance with the armistice agreement of January 28 incident.
*4: 宣統三年式步槍. Xuantong 3 is western era 1911.
*5: Copy of Japanese 10th Year Type Grenade Discharger. Production started since 1938.
*6: Probably rifle grenade launcher for Type 38 Infantry Rifle. Reference
*7: Placeholder.
*8: Japanese name of Mauser Kar98k. Importer 1938.
*9: Placeholder.
*10: 試製一型機関短銃 / Experimental Model 1 Machine-Carbine
*11: 支那駐屯歩兵第二連隊. They were garrison at Tianjin (Northern China) and they tested this SMG at battlefield. They did not participated Battle of Shanghai.
*12: Only few prototype was built and project was cancelled.

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^^^ Guys make this happen!

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I have to correct this section on the top of post.

Apparently, Japanese navy’s “MP28” mentioned in several websites is a MP18, not MP28. More accuracy it was SIG-Bergmann M1920 (aka MP18/20).
Therefore, Japanese naval SMGs available in 1930s is below:

  • SIG-Bergmann M1920 (Type Be Automatic Pistol/ベ式自動拳銃)
  • Steyr-Solothurn S1-100 (Type Su Automatic Pistol/ス式自動拳銃)

In addition, specification is incorrect. Japanese SIG M1920 and S1-100 were use 7.63x25mm, not 7.65x21mm. Also, magazine capacity of Japanese S1-100 was 30 ammo.

Only two SMGs are available is not enough for the game. However, if you accept to include units/weapons from North China front, we can implement Experimental Model 1 Machine Pistol (SMG) [試製一型機関短銃]. It was used by Japanese Army China Garrison 2nd Regiment [支那駐屯歩兵第二連隊] to test performance on the actual battle since September 1938.

Experimental Model 1 SMG
Text on the stock is “試一型”, shorten of “試製一型/Experimental Model 1”. It have long 50 ammo magazine and ammunition would be 6.5x30mm Type 95 or 8x22mm Nambu. (I’m not sure which it is)
This gun was improved and eventually evolved into the Type 100 SMG.

Photo source

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you did kinda left out the type 99 arisaka rifle, and the 7.7x58 arisaka cartridge and how it was used in japanese army. i think this weapon/cartridge could be a bit rarer than 6.5mmSR and possibly perform like the german VZ 24

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Me too!

That is a dream come true, also… Enlisted would make gaming history with this immediately.

  • This game would receive so much visibility and especially in Asian markets.

Japanese and Chinese people still hate one another, therefore making a game like this would basically give them a somewhat REAL battlefield experience.

In this battle, the fight was on narrow pathways in a centuries old beautiful village. Swords, pistols etc. On both sides and insane amount of hand to hand fighting.

The village is now protected historical site in China.

Battle of Taierzhuang - Wikipedia

BOTH SIDES USED SWORDS TOO:

Chinese side:

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And the japanese side of course:

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It because Type 99 short rifle was adopted in 1939.
Battle of Shanghai is ended in 1937 so it was not existent.

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Very impressive post

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Nice job gathering all this! I think a lot of people wants to see china and japan in action including me. A lot of stuff already made it into the game (early german-czechslovak weapons, arisaka, some asian models) wich would help out enlisted team to make this campaign.

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Thank you!
When I made this topic I misunderstand several things.
MP18, MP28 etc were not used by Japanese (actually it was SIG-Bergmann M1920). Also, S1-100 (MP34o) have different design (magazine, bayonet, caliber etc) so it is difficult to divert in-game assets for them… Probably available assets are only Type 38 Carbine, ZB-26, ZH-29 and Vz.24.

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Nope, we don’t need more Japanese and Americans in the Pacific

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Yo since this post was made, Japanese have already been added to the game. There’s even SNLF and Kwantung troops in premium. All they gotta do is add the NRA faction (and some communist squads for good measure). Practically all the weapons are already in the game.

Where are we with this?? Who’s making it happen?

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