Suggestion: BR Weapon and Vehicle Adjustments

Some weapons and vehicles are definitely over or under what they should be. Due to the current match-groups being 1 - 3 and 3 - 5 I’m not going to care about BR 1 - 2 changes and 4 - 5 changes as they are irrelevant in practice, so below are my proposals that would change practically:


TLDR:

USSR:

  • SVT-40, SVT-40 Sniper: BR IV → BR III
  • IL-2 (1941): BR II → BR III
  • P40E-1: BR II → BR III
  • A-20 Boston Mk.3: BR III → BR II
  • P-63A-10 Premium: BR IV → BR III

USA/UKC:

  • SMLE MK III: BR III → BR II
  • Lee-Enfield No.4 MkI: BR III → BR II
  • Lee-Enfield No.4 MkI(T): BR III → BR II
  • Sniper M1C: BR V → BR III
  • P38G (Attack Pilot): BR II → BR III
  • AP-1: BR III → BR II
  • M24: BR III → BR II

Germany/Italy:

  • VG.2: BR III → BR II
  • Carcano M91 with Scope Mount: BR III → BR II
  • Gewehr 98 with Scope Mount: BR III → BR II
  • Beretta M38A (40 Rounds): BR IV → BR III
  • IAR-81C: BR I → BR III
  • BF109 G6: BR IV → BR III
  • Gerat 03: BR V → BR III

Japan:

  • Type Hei (Late): BR IV → BR III
  • Type Hei rifle 10: BR IV → BR III

Let’s start with USSR:

Rifles are fairly balanced here, but some minor changes could be done.

SVT-40 and SVT-40 Sniper: BR IV to BR III. The SVT 38 and SVT 40 are near identical in performance, and I don’t see why they are not just simply BR 3 along with their sniper variants. We will keep the Drum Mag SVT-40 as BRIV

SMG’s and Heavy/LMG’s are in a good position for USSR, so we’ll leave those alone.

Tanks the only real outlier is the KV-1. Many have stated that the KV-1 is too powerful in low BR matches as there wasn’t a counter to it within BR1-2 at range outside of aircraft. The addition of HEAT to BRII tanks such as the Panzer III N in Germany has given that answer IMO so I have no problem keeping the KV-1 where it is, but if the HEAT is removed / nerfed, it will need to be re-assessed.

For planes, there are two questionable aircraft.

I would consider a bump the IL-2 (1941) to BR III due to its impressive turn rate and CAS ability. Its lack of a tail gunner and speed (both max and climb rate) do leave it vulnerable however, so keeping it as BR II is ok with me as well.

The other question is the P40E-1. This fighter’s fantastic loadout for CAS is very close to too much for a fighter, at least in this BR. Moving from BR II - BR III could be a valid move.

The A-20 Boston Mk.3 should be dropped to BR II from III. I believe this planes armament and speed characteristics are simply insufficient for BR III. I would actually argue swapping the IL-2 (1941) with the A-20 Boston MK.3 would be somewhat logical.

In terms of Premiums:

The P-63A-10 I would like to see moved down to BR III. without bombs it relies on strafing to provide CAS … which with the M10 cannon it can do alright but is heavily outclassed in high BR matches. In fact, … the Yak-9K being BRIII also helps this case as it has an even larger cannon on it with the same role.


Moving to USA/UKC:

Bolt actions that do not have rifle grenades do not belong in BR III. So, let’s move the SMLE Mk III, the Lee-Enfield No.4 MkI, Lee-Enfield No.4 MkI (T) all to BR II from III.

Sniper M1C seems very odd to be in BR V. I will move this to BR III with its counterpart Sniper M1 Garand already is.

This faction’s SMG’s as well as LMG/Heavy’s are also in a good place. Tanks are also in a good place atm.

For planes, I would like to see the P38G (Specifically the one that belongs to the attacker pilot) should be bumped up to BRIII and the AP-1 dropped to BR II.

  • Several P38’s are already in BR III, and there is an argument to bring all of them to BR III due to their speed.
  • The AP-1 is basically a bigger dauntless with worse visibility. As such, I feel it is too cumbersome to be in BR III.

For premiums, I would like to see the M24 dropped down to BR II. due to its light armor, it becomes a shoot and scoot tank. but it really is not up to the task for dealing with higher end tanks as its armor is simply too thin.


Moving to Germany/Italy:

Again, Bolt actions that do not have rifle grenades do not belong in BR III. So, let’s move the VG.2, Carcano M91 with Scope mount, and Gewehr 98 with scope mount to BR II from III.

SMG’s I would like to see Beretta M38A (40 rounds moved to BR III from BR IV). its counterpart with 20 rounds being a BR I sort of makes this argument. those 20 rounds should not increase it by 3 BR’s.

This faction’s LMG’s and heavy weapons are also in a good place. As are their tanks, though I would like to see heat added to more KWK37 equipped tanks (Panzer III N with skirts could get a few more rounds than 7, Panzer IV E, non-premium should get some added, etc.).

For planes, let’s talk about the IAR-81C. At BR I this is insane. You even see this flown a lot in high BR matches due to its loadout. I would like to see this move to BR III from I. BF109 G6 I think could be downed to a BR III from BR IV as it is comparible to other BR III fighters. The rest of the planes in this tree are in a good place.

For premiums, we are in fairly good shape except the Gerat 03. Why in the world is this a BR V? It’s a semi auto with a decent amount of recoil. let’s drop this down to BR III with the rest of the similar semi-autos.


And finally we get to Japan:

Rifles are in a good shape here, but I would like to see the gold order Type Hei’s with 10 round magazines move to BR III from IV.

SMG’s, LMG’s, and heavy weapons are in a great place atm, though could use some more options, but that should come with time.

Tanks are surprisingly in a good place atm, though many are fragile. They have options against USA/UKC opponents.

Planes are also in a good place BR wise, but could absolutely use some more options for Attack Pilots. Also need for low BR non-carrier aircraft.

For premiums, also not seeing any issues.

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I agree with most of these changes :+1:t2:

Here’s a few of my own too:

Germany/Italy

StuG III F/G: BR 3 > 2
Jagdpanzer IV: BR 4 > 3
MG42/Early: BR 4 > 3
ZH-29: BR 4 > 3
Pz.IV H: BR 4 > 3
Kbsp wz.38M: BR 3 > 2
OG-43: BR 4 > 2
Pavesi M42: BR 3 > 2
ERMA EMP 44: BR 4 > 3
VMP 1926: BR 4 > 3
ERMA EMP 36: BR 3 > 2
Luftfaust B: BR 5 > 3
Bf 109 G-10: BR 4 > 3
Bf 109 F-4/trop: BR 3 > 2
Me 410 B-1: BR 5 > 3
Dicker Max: BR 4 > 3

USA/UK

Johnson rifle/LMG: BR 4 > 3
M10 GMC: BR 4 > 3
Winchester G30M: BR 3 > 2
P-47D-22-RE (event P47): BR 5 > 3
Boomerang: BR 3 > 2
P-38E (no M8 rockets): BR 3 > 2
Thompson .30cal: BR 3 > 2

USSR

KV-1 (ZiS-5): BR 4 > 3
DPM: BR 4 > 3
AKT 40: BR 4 > 3
PPD 1929: BR 4 > 3
SU-76M: BR 3 > 2

Japan

MP28: BR 2 > 3
Type 4 rifle: BR 4 > 3
Type Otsu rifle: BR 3 > 2
SIG 1920/1930: BR 3 > 4
Tokyo Arsenal SMG: BR 4 > 5
A6M3 (Drop tank Zero): BR 3 > 2

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I generally agree with most of this list, except;

  • Lee-Enfield No.4 MkI: BR III → BR II
    While the Lee-Enfield might be outshined by the Garand at BR 3, at BR 2 it would make every single other bolt action that the Allies have obsolete.
  • Lee-Enfield No.4 MkI(T): BR III → BR II
    This is the best bolt-action sniper rifle in the game by a massive margin, it thoroughly deserves to be BR 3 despite sniper rifles generally not significantly impacting matches.

Beyond that

  • IAR-81C: BR I → BR III
    I genuinely think that someone saw that it was a low-tier non-German aircraft and assumed it was bad without actually looking at its armament.

As for my own suggestions, I think the PPD-40 should be dropped from V to IV, I don’t know why the BraMit would be IV while the unsuppressed version would be V.
I also think that the MKbs (both Walther and Haenel) should be dropped from V to IV.
The StG-45(M) Premium squad should be dropped from V to III. It’s a 5 man squad that can’t get vitality, has no AT capability, with a gun that is worse up close than an MP-40. The equivalent AS-44 squad is equally disadvantaged in stats, though obviously has a much better primary, so I would say a drop from V to IV would be fitting for them.

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I love how absolutely everyone forgot about Beretta M1 still being BR 3 in spite of being both stat and research wise between both MPs that are BR 2.

its not a matter of making other I and II obsolete. its a matter of does it fit power wise. The way I see it … the Enfield is not a significant boost beyond the current bolt action selection within BR 1 - 2 to warrant BR 3’s up tier chance. the same for the Enfield T. Its still a bolt action. It still heavily matters the skill of the player. You aren’t going to be “that’s unfair” to someone using it in low br.

A valid suggestion, and I wouldn’t be opposed … it just didn’t make my list.

They are insanely good and completely dominate over other bolties of the Axis. Unless you bring something better for us or buff existing Axis bolties i don’t want it to get lower at BR2 unless you want to make low BR Axis even weaker than they already are.

Portez has 2x 200 kg bombs so it’s a stupid change too.

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A couple of these are questionable or debatable I think.

Only if the flamethrower within their box is removed from low BR box. Im fairly certain its BR IV due to the flamethrower that it comes with atm.

This thing is fine at BR IV … it having 2 engineers and being one of the best MG’s in the game is not one I would support to down BR.

I would be skeptic of this one due to its effectiveness against infantry, not saying no … but I would say worth a discussion as its armor pen seems to have been reduced / removed entirely.

The AKT-40 is an Auto rifle … and a good one at that. I would be opposed to this as such.

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Potez is also an attack plane, not a fighter, nor does it have 20mm cannons. It competes with Stukas for low br and is absolutely good where it is in early low BR. The IAR 81C however is out of place in low BR with its current loadout.

The flamethrower is fine in the low BR box, considering that the allies get the BAR for one of their box weapons. Pretty sure no one would care if they get a sub par BR 3 flamethrower with only 3 seconds worth of fuel. Could limit it to only 3 flamethrowers instead of 6 to balance it.

I put the MG42 and the earlier version at BR 3 due to low ammo amount and because it has limited use at BR 4-5. I don’t think the early squad is that over powered with an extra engineer.

Lauftfaust should be BR 3 because it’s literally useless at BR 5 and as you said, it has no armour penetration at all. It would fit better against slower flying planes thus making it more viable.

ATK 40 was a hard one to consider but I believe it belongs in BR 3 because it’s only a slightly better SVT 40 and very hard to control at full auto. It’s out classed at BR 4-5 by the two BR 5 rifles. It’s also a premium so having it at BR 3 would give people an incentive to buy it without having it as pay to win.

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The tech tree panzer III N is the only tank that receive it recently. Other tech tree tank like Panzer 4E and F1 didn’t have it.

Lol no. Chi Nu and Na To should be br3 instead of br4. Ho Ni III should be br2 instead of br3.

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The M1 has a 40 round mag, it’s always been better than the MP-40 despite being earlier than it even back in Tunisia.

Their flamethrowers were already nerfed before the general flamethrower nerfs that saw most people stop using them. There is no reason they shouldn’t be BR II as they are right now.

It’s not really all that effective against infantry that don’t string themselves into a convenient little conga line that would be just as juicy of a target to any machine gun. Plus they’ve heavily nerfed the AP damage of the Luftfaust to the point that it cannot even effectively engage aircraft anymore, so it should be able to kill infantry. And you’re sacrificing Panzerfaust to use it.

10 rounds is very limiting. I think a lot of these adjustments come down to us asking ourselves what it would take for us to actually use a weapon/premium squad.

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Soviet P-40 and IAR 81 C could probably do with a class change (attacker). Then br 2 is fine…imo.

Or change up the ordnance to be more in line with being a fighter

The IAR is in a predicament. Its loadout makes it punch way up, but strictly speaking the 109 e7 is a better fighter (which is also br 1 but overlooked)

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My suggestion is not to make a list of this kind of suggestions, because most people will simply not click the “like” button if they see something they don’t agree with/don’t care about.

You should only propose a small number of changes at a time to better find people who agree with you on a single topic and gather enough influence to increase the chance that your post will be implemented.

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got to admit I prefer the 109’s over IAR as well.
F1 ? with nose 20mm the most, dont like the wing mounted 20mm’s, guess its preference but miss shitload of shots with them compared to nose mount.

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I like all the early 109s over the IAR as a fighter (but people dont pick IAR to be a fighter :stuck_out_tongue: ). 4x50kg isnt bad at all either. Wing mounted guns arent as good but i still love the e7 (not much cannon ammo though)

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well it kinda feels like more agile stuka but dont really see benefits over either 109’s
4x50 is more than enough to take out tanks and ever since the bomb nerf ~2-3? yrs ago dont really see a reason to pick larger bomb over more of smaller ones.

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Huh, why? SVT-38 is perfectly fine on BR3 besides Type 4 os even worse than SVT-38 and is BR4.

BR2 at max.

Is fine on BR4

Other suggestions are reasonable.

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current HEAT in all the kwk 37 is not that strong, it is the HlGr 38B (pens 80mm at 90 and 40mm at 60) which is more or less historical accurate for the time frame that those tanks were supposed to represent before the merge. The regular Pz III N since only has 7 of them and was supposed to be a much later version deserve the C version (pens 100mm at 90 and 50mm at 60) though.

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