I dont see many issue with alot of handguns as balance wont be thrown as bad as certain SMGs or riflesā¦ You could include the Polish Radom Wz.35, Browning High power and the Vz 27. All of these were issued to Germans once they occupied the corresponding countries (Poland, Belgium, Czechoslovakia)
I also wasnt around for the Berlin map but the MP3008 would be a perfect fit. Itās not a prototype or fake weapon and used towards the end of the war with some 10000 made. Just a copy of the Sten with a vertical magazine
argument ad absurdium
Germany should be given a laser SMG with high RoF. Suomi does that I believe.
Soviet faction gets a weapon that functions like the Germanās signature MPs. It is only natural if Germany can have the same. Iāll take a high RoF laser gun like the PPD over the MP-41 anyday.
Asymmetry is not relevant anymore.
The current prototypes are only in place to fill symmetrical balance gaps.
Alright, then give us STG-44 instead
Russian guns do 0.2 less damage per shot and their rate of fire is 1.5 times bigger than German ones
b a l a n c e
give us mirror gameplay and kill the game.
Nobody wants completely symmetrical teams and some of my polls prove that
I read your argument, and I would agree in adding rare stuff for Germany ONLY if we get weapon limits.
I think itās time to bring this topic up: Weapon limits (part 2)
Yeah?
I would agree with you only if Suomi was VERY RARE
Other than that, MPās should stay the backbone of the German SMG squads
The Suomi would have been a much better premium SMG than the MP41
Then both sides would have had an SMG that acts like the other nationās SMG.
Soviets get to kill asymmetry with PPK, why not Germany?
Not if these are legit the most common weapons after most of the stuff we already have, or is in the game files, for Germany.
Meanwhile, we also are getting the FG42 for Berlin, with only 7k produced, which is less than the MKb-42H, EMP or MAS-38. Or the M2 Hyde, with only 400 produced, which is less than ANY of these. Donāt cherry pick weapons just because they are or are not German.
Also if SS squads are to be included at some point (without swastikas, of course), they should get their weapons as well, so the Anti-Tank rifle especially is a big +.
Look at what happened to PPD. And the Pz II and MPs. All of them had their advantages and disadvantages compared to their counterparts but theyāve been made to function similarly now citing win rates. Stop preaching asymmetry when you feel like it.
Game was perfectly balanced in terms of weapons during the start of beta. Itās been an exhibition on how to ruin it since then. Now that we are here, might as well go with it.
And not to forget, recoil lesser than German SMGs.
Meanwhile PPK screws with everything you stand for and you arenāt asking for a replacement of it?
Iām just saying that if the Suomi were to be added, it would have fit in the premium slot quite well.
We can always consider it for like Stalingrad campaign, if that ever becomes a thing.
It is true. The recoil per shot is lower. But due to the ungodly high firerate, the recoil per second is higher. Neither nation is wrong if they say the other nation has a lower recoil.
2 months back I would have said donāt add it. But now, I want it. Itās a unique weapon like the PPK is for Soviet side. And now that PPD performs better than anything else in game at short and medium ranges, a counter weapon is needed.
Tcat already answered it for you. And for the record, I spent the whole alpha playing Soviet side when PPDs kicked like a mule and MPs had better damage and fire rate.
I never said that.
I do want to make a bunch of mirror threads of this for Soviet guns, as well as American guns, and maybe even Brittish guns, to spark discussions about what weapons could be added next. You know that I do not care for nations, as long as the weapons introduced can be balanced.
PzBMSS41 would be heavier and recoil more compared to the PzB38, in return of a faster rate of fire thanks to the magazine. In a similar fashion, the PTRS could be introduced back into Moscow but also being heavier and much bigger recoil than the PTRD. Then Germany could have a third one, the GrB39, which would have bigger recoil and be heavier as well, compared to PzB38, but instead of higher RoF, it gets bigger penetration. Not sure what to add here for Soviets, but thatās where you come in. Alternatively Soviets can always get +1 weapon in another category.
EDIT: Maybe a Romanian S-18/100?
The MKbās could be a premium and non-premium weapon for Germans in a later campaign, perhaps. They would probably be 9 damage or so select fire weapons that rapidly lose their damage over range, even faster than SMGs, in addition to having more recoil than SMGs. Alternatively, Fedorov Automat would be Soviet counterpart for it, or the AVS-36, or AVT-40. All of these would fit better in Stalingrad, though.
The EMP35 is already ingame, so wont comment on that.
EMP36 could just be another addition to the gigantic German SMG tree
MAS38 would be similar, less damage probably but less recoil.
MG15 would be a true heavy handheld MG for the Germans. It is heavier than the MG34 and would absolutely require the usage of the bipod for usage, as has been suggested before for the MG34 and DP27. Make it trash without the bipod, but let it have that 50rd drum MG dakka on bipod.
I donāt know enough about the MG30 to comment on it.
well, itās very sad to see how much stupid people can be.
trying to avoid that, i like your idea. although, i would suggest to include also some weapons for the ally, but perhaps in another thread. i could give you a hand if needed.
but anyway, i can confirm that we have the kp43/1:
( for the normandy campaign, which it was present in the first normandy test )
although, a refined and " better " version could be used for berlin as well.
insthead of prototypes.
the mas 38 it would be cool to be seen in the normandy campaign as well.
but i disagree for the MG15. it would be older, so insthead, i would suggest the MG81 MG 81 machine gun - Wikipedia which it has been designed to replace the MG15.
and iām totally for the MG 30. i remember playing with that on bfv, and men of war. absolute a must need ^^
although, there is a slight issue that we have to face. if we add more guns, people will have to be forced to grind through all those gun at some point in order to get end tier. and adding multiple layers of already present r n g and might not please everyone.
but for the rest, good job ^^
MG15 would offer superior magazine capacity compared to the MG13.
Could you tell me more about the MG30?
donāt even bother. itās not worthed our time 
the mg 30 has 770 RPM
/ 900 RPM ( if we consider that can be upgraded and in real life, got upgraded )
a 30 rounds magazine ( which has a left loading magazine system ),
using 7.92x57mm
weight: 9,5 kg
overhall lenght: 1 meter and 16 centimeters