Suggesting primary weapons for America/Great-Brittain

[TheCatequil]

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Suggesting primary weapons for Soviet Union

Basically mirror thread for this: https://forum.enlisted.net/t/suggesting-primary-weapons-for-germany/4149 There, the PzB SS41, MKb42H, MKb42W, EMP35, EMP36, MAS38, MG15 and MG30 were suggested. This thread is to suggest Soviet counterparts of these weapons. Some of these weapons might fit a Stalingrad campaign better than a Moscow campaign, however. PTRS: Soviet SS41. Already in the game files. Semi automatic with a 5-round magazine. Would offer even higher rate of fire than the SS41, but…

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Suggesting primary weapons for Germany

First of all I want to encourge you to suggest weapons that are not mentioned here and reply with some informations about them and sources. I want to make pool then where I will give option if there is interest for the firearm to be added to the game and how to acquire them (twitch drops, events etc…). During WW2 Germany adopted many firearms due to having three different military branches that adopted equipment independently (Wermacht, Luftwaffe and Waffen --). Also german military adopted lot…

But for American/Brittish guns.

There, Anti-tank weapons, Assault/battle rifles, SMGs and MGs were suggested. For each of these classes, I will suggest American/Brittish guns that could fit Tunesia or Normandy campaigns, but some of these would fit best in a later Battle for the Bulge campaign.

Before we get to those classes, I just want to highlight three rifles:
M1941 Johnson rifle:
A semi-automatic, 10-round rotary drum rifle, produced in small quantities (still more than M2 Hyde) as competitor for the M1 Garand. It would act similar as the M1 Garand and allow for the Americans to perhaps unlock one of the two semi-automatic rifles early in the Normandy campaign.

Turner SMLE:
Semi-auto conversion of the Lee Enfield. Further goes into the semi-auto mentality of the Americans, while the Germans would probably stick to more SMGs.

M1/M2 Carbine:
Carbines were the mainstay of reservist/support troop weapons for the US army. Other than tankers, base staff like engineers or mechanics would often be armed with these. They are much lighter than a rifle and offer high capacity, in addition to good damage retention over range. That said, they only deal as much damage as an SMG to begin with, on top of being semi-automatic. The exception to this is the M2 Carbine, which had select fire for semi/auto. These would act similar to the assault/battle rifles suggested before.

AT:
Boys AT rifle:
Pretty weak for AT solutions, only capable of taking out light targets, but has significantly more range than a PIAT or Bazooka.

SMG:
Thompson:
Already in the files. Would be a heavier, higher recoil, higher rate of fire weapon compared to the M3.

M50 Reising:
Basically in between the Thompson and M3. Also has a M55 model, which would have slightly more recoil but less weight thanks to a metal wire buttstock, and the M60, which would be similar to the M1/M2 carbines, thanks to a longer barrel and semi-auto conversion.

United Defence M42:
SMG that used 9mm Para instead of .45 ACP. As such, it will act very similar to the German SMGs, and as such should probably be a premium weapon to not conflict with each nation’s “uniqueness”.

Lanchester SMG:
Brittish copy of the MP28/II. Again, probably best used as premium weapon like the M42. Could use a 32 or 50 round box magazine, just like the Sten and Sterling.

Sten:
Very crude, simple SMG, with good rate of fire and magazine capacity, but very bad recoil. Again, 32 or 50 rounds.

Sterling/Patchett SMG:
Used in very small quantities late into the war (being only officially adopted as the replacement for the Sten in 1953) by special forces, would fit as a solid premium weapon. Again, 32 or 50 rounds.

MGs:
Lewis gun:
Widely used by the Brittish, this gun would have a large capacity (47 or 97 rounds), but be very unwieldy when not used deployed on its bipod. Moderate rate of fire and recoil compared to other MGs.

Vickers K MG:
Would be the Vickers GO No.2 Mk.1 Land Service variant, which would have a shorter stock and pistol grip compared to the normal, for airforce intended variant. Has very high rate of fire, being able to compete with the MG15 or MG42, but would require bipod setup to use.

1918 BAR:
Already in the game files. Would be the most mobile MG for the USA, as it was known for its walking fire capabilities. Low rate of fire and recoil compared to other MGs.

M1919:
Probably the heaviest of the MGs, fed by a belt that ranged between 50 and 200 rounds in capacity. Would be very unwieldy without being deployed and can overheat if used for too long. Has good fire rate, with recoil being dependent on deployment.

M1941 Johnson MG:
Probably best known as the American counterpart for the FG-42 in Heroes & Generals, this MG is basically the M1918 BAR, but higher rate of fire and recoil.

Lastly, the M2 Browning:
Only usable in a tripod setup, with a long setup process. Would offer immense firepower thanks to its .50cal cartridge, even being capable of shredding a puma. That said, the setup process would take very long, similar to an engineer placing a building.

For the record, I did use Wikipedia for this list:

List of equipment of the United States Army during World War II

List of World War II weapons of the United Kingdom

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

WHERE’S DA LAMB. THE LAMB SAUCE: Turner SMLE | Gun Wiki | Fandom

jokes aside, i think that the semi auto turner SMLE should be included

M1941 Johnson Rifle

[TheCatequil]

@5762269

M1941 Johnson rifle:

Did include this one.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

me blindy.

me sorry.

[TheCatequil]

That I already knew from when we grouped up to play Enlisted~

[Bravo_two_Six]

Hoping we get to see the Vickers Berthier machine gun along side multiple numbers of Lee -Enfield Mk1 -4s

Also flamethrowers would be awesome.
I do hope that Tunisia focuses on the push up fom Libya rather than the american push through Algeria.
(Also really want those french free troops/ foreign legion)

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

ohi?

wanna fight?

as you can see, i’m a dangerous opponent.

[VoyoMayPL]

@5762269

Lastly, the M2 Browning:

I don’t know if M2 (as it’s HMG) fits in the definition of a primary weapon.
Same with M1919, it was more HMG than primary weapon.

I would definitely make M2 separate engine building. .50 is just too much punch to be carried freely with no limitations.

[TheCatequil]

Don’t worry, when playing a semi-competitive match of War Thunder on the fields of Maginot, I lost track of a BUILDING behind of which was an enemy tank. I had 3 people spectating me, SHOUTING at me to turn my barrel X degrees left/right until it faced the building again.

I am at least twice as blind as you are.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

pfff…

amateur

( nothing personal ‘Freund’ )

[TheCatequil]

M1919 would be unwieldy, but somewhat usable when not deployed.
M2 would outright unusable when not deployed.

Could give an interesting asymmetrical balance between US MGs and GER MGs.

[VoyoMayPL]

With M1919A4 I could agree to make it autistic GPMG but M2 definilty should not be regular weapon.

[mrparty1]

I agree with all of these. As a note, the M2 Carbine in Europe really should only be in campaigns that take place during the Battle of the Bulge or later (even BotB is very early to see an M2, but it is conceivable that there were some converted M1/M2s that saw some use), or in the Pacific, the Battle of Manila or later.

Johnson LMG is a little more difficult. In Europe they were really not used much at all, other than by the 1st Special Service Force, who acquired over a hundred from the Marines. Really the most “normal” place that we could see both the Johnson rifle and LMG is in the earlier battles of the Pacific theatre.

Edit: I also agree that M2 Browning and M1919(A4?) should not be primary weapons, as they are machine guns intended to be used on tripods. M1919A6 is perfectly acceptable though as a primary weapon.

[baterka]

Can I just say you are absolute mad lad doing this in a such short time in this detail.

[Attic_Annie]

@5762269

That said, they only deal as much damage as an SMG to begin with, on top of being semi-automatic.

That’s a misconception about the M1 Carbine.
Though it looked like a pistol round, it carried a lot more power, as it was a lot newer than pistol standards at the time limited by older powder standards.

There’s a lot of questionable additions on that list, but it’s a list.

Johnson rifle I’m confused about because I don’t think it was issued, but I know it was used because a medal of honor recipient used one and has a statue with it.

Maybe it was like the Japanese with pistols and the guy just brought his one lmao.

[EncrypticMethodz]

played a lot of the Normandy campaign, only have a couple 4 stars grinded up. But I can confirm the BAR and Thompson are in the game dropped on a few Ai camping points in games, same with the mg34.

[TheCatequil]

They are in the game files. They are not obtainable for normal players.
Some AI might use these weapons, as they were previously usable during the open tests.
Some of these weapons can be picked up as well in the tutorial level.

[POP GAMES1212@live]

As a american I demand every .50 cal ever used to be in game (gib M2 browning).

Jokes a side it’ll be OP .50 cals already one shoot every thing that moves.

[baterka]

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I’m sorry
Some Owen guns were tested by US and UK. US troops really liked it and order for 45000 was proposed. Owen guns were used by australians in pacific tho.

Owen gun

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

yes, sten gun on steroids

on a serious note, i would really love to use it when the commonwealth faction will be a thing.