In game, the StuG 3A isn’t a very good option to take compared to other tanks available at the same BR, and this is from a number of factors, mostly from the casemate design, very limited ammunition capacity, and no machine gun, but it does get HEAT shells with 80mms of penetration, however there are only 19, the rest being APCBC or smoke shells. My suggestion is to replace the 80mm penetrating Hl.Gr 38B shells with the Hl.Gr 38C shells recently added to the Panzer 3N so it can better engage BR3 tanks that it commonly faces, or to replace the APCBC shells with HE shells so it can fight longer without having to resupply so much, which will make the shell loadout similar to the M8 Scott’s combination of HE and HEAT, which has one more of each shell type except smoke. Forum members, what is your opinion on this suggestion? do you it’s fine as is, it should get better HEAT, or HE in place of the AP shells, or something else entirely?
Stug III A is still a sad vehicle, I think I would rather see it gets its HEAT removed and be moved to BR1, STUG III F should be BR2 anyways.
tbh i kinda want the stug to be BR2
That’s another great option as well for this, lower BR could be fun for it while not being too strong.
The Stug needs the MG
The early A model of the StuG series couldn’t mount any machine gun, only later F and G models, but they should get their MGs modeled in game despite them not being in WT.
Well they could also remove all AP and smoke rounds and make it ONLY have heat - since it kinda has a too small ammo capacity
IMO all German 75mm short barreled tanks need Hl.Gr 38C because they need to face M4A2 Sherman and KV-1 in uptier.
I don’t think all of them are in need of heats, as their primary role is infantry support, not anti tank.
German have other BR2 tanks for anti role role.
Not to mention KV1 and Shermans struggles to penetrate BR4 German tanks as well.
Every other faction’s “infantry support tank” can easily deal with tanks even in uptier.
T-28E can destroy any Panzer IV.
M8 Scott has HEAT that can deal with any BR1-3 tank is one shot.
HO-I has type 2 Heat with insane good HE values and 90mm penetration, enough to deal with M4A2 which I really envy since even long barrel Pz III J/M and Puma can struggle against a well angled M4A2 sherman.
I don’t understand why only Germans have to choose between anti-infantry or anti-tank in BR2, when everyother faction can have the best of both worlds.
Only because German uptier isn’t as armored as Soviet one. It would struggle against Soviet BR3 as well. Not to mention m8 has other negatives in comparison to German tanks.
Again, Ho-I is significantly worse in infantry support role in comparison to German tanks.
Yes, its only luck German BR3 doesn’t have anything more armored yet. It would struggle against Soviet BR3 extremely.
They should add tech tree stug G with coax. That would counter T28e totally.
I definitely wouldn’t call Ho-I best of both worlds xD M8 and T28e are definitely at better spot. But M8 has some negatives. Literally they biggest advantage is that they don’t have to deal with BR3 Soviets.
Anyway, if you needed to give all the aforementioned German tanks heats. I would definitely limit them to about 7 pieces. And then introduce something like the Pz IV C that I recently suggested.
I dont think they have to be completely versatile.
Like insanely good mobility and even stronger HE?
I still use that tank to this day, I always regarded as the best tank on BR2, the only downside is the open top nature of the tank that scares idiots away from using it.
But trust me, it’s a wolf in sheep’s skin.
I have recently ruined the match of 10 people with it, you can find that in my replays if you want.
https://enlisted.net/en/replays/#!/replay/472464037697800774
Slower reload, but better HE, only downside is the lack MG in the turret.
As for T-28E, as of now it can deal with anything Germans can throw at it, its MG turrets are still broken as well, broken good as they work even unmanned.
People always try to prove Germans being OP by reload speed, but they forget that their HE shells are smaller so they need to fire more often too to get the same results.
Like very limited ammo in comparison to short barrel Pz IV?
And being open top is significant disadvantage, sometimes you’ll just die to random blast waves that any other normal tank would not even notice.
Yes, slower reload is very significant downside, plus it is much less agile.
Yes, that’s why I think this should be added:
Or possibly hetzer too
It has 46 shells, but the HEAT works as well as the HE against infantry, besides its one of the fastest tanks in the game, it can very quickly resupply.
Design fault, they packed the turret with shells…
So near by explosions can ignite the ammo causing ammo rack, it’s most dangerous when facing 75mm cannon tanks since their HE will always ammo rack the Scott.
Im very well aware of its flaws.
Soviets will most likely cry until devs move T-34 1940 to BR2 …
Yeah, basically half of what Pz IV have.
Just introduce one more Pz IV variant with same ammo setup, meaning Heats/He.
Yet again, my recent suggestion:
PZ IV C
It is not needed to give Heats to all of them. I think that would be just missed opportunity, clearly making those tanks superior to anything else german BR2 ground vehicles could provide. And there would be no reason to play anything else.
Well because Germanies anti infantry vehicles have crazy reload speed - but if Germany would need to choose between specialised vehicles, maybe they then also should have more specialised AT vehicles as well (STUG III F).
Also been thinking recently about Panzer III L - which is kinda similar to premium Panzer III M, but without the side skirts, so basically 70mm of frontal armor.
I had the same idea while reading another discussion on the topic.
Most people don’t really want to use the long-barrelled Pz IIIJ1 because it sacrifices the anti-infantry performance for AT. However gained some armor in the process (by using the III L) might be a good argument.
I must admit that I never used PZ III N when it was available at BR2 because I own the III M which is already a powerhouse there.
That would be pointless as BR1 does not exist. Why not have two stugs at BR2? One with better heat and another one with usual APCBC rounds?
Same reload speed as pz3n and much better speed so you can go to your camping spot much quicker than any other tank
Soviet t28e is the best tank at BR2, while it has a little slower reload it gives you best overall performance as you have amazing pen with good tnt filler with apcbc and also amazing anti infantry performance with HE + 3x mgs.
There are no reason to play as br2 Germany anymore as they got overnerfed to death, unless ofc you are a veteran and love grinding newbie Americans (vs soviets there will be always tryhard battles).
Yeah, surely.
Stop spamming your incompetent biased nonsense. Germany BR2 didn’t received a single nerf, except for increasing BR of one tank that was clearly overperforming.
Lmao.