FG 42 (German: Fallschirmjägergewehr 42, “paratrooper rifle 42”)
if 7.00 paratrooper rifles can be made a tech tree weapon for the rifleman an unkown number of t20 prototypes can do the same
Maschinenkarabiner 42(W) -200- TT
MP43/1
On 6 February 1943, an early production MP 43[e] was presented to Hitler and Colonel Friedrich Kittel, with the former expressing his considerable annoyance at the change in designation. Shortly after this unveiling, Minister of Armaments Albert Speer sent a telegram from Hitler to the Waffenamt demanding the termination of the machine carbine project. Despite this, a limited production run continued.[23] In the spring of 1943, small batches of the new weapon were used by troops in the Eastern front, with the Army Group North receiving 2,000 MKb 42(H) rifles on 21 April 1943. By the end of the year, it is estimated that a total of 29,500 MKb 42(H) and MP 43/1 rifles were produced in total, with slightly more than half being issued to troops in the field. Meanwhile, officers and other ranks in the Army were showing a growing interest in the machine carbine, with the guards at Hitler’s headquarters enthusiastically expressing their approval upon receiving the new weapons. Presumably Hitler believed that these guns in particular were already being assembled by the time he gave his order terminating the MP 43 production.[24]
Sometime in 1943, while Hitler was decorating three generals for outstanding service on the Eastern Front he allowed each one to make a request (as was his custom on such ceremonial occasions). They all asked for the same thing: production and issue of the MP 43 for the troops. After further questioning, Hitler was surprised upon learning that limited numbers of the new rifle were already being used on the Eastern Front. He called for full reports from the Army and after reviewing them, Hitler changed his opinion on the MP 43, ordering the monthly production of 30,000 guns alongside the 7.92×33mm Kurz cartridge on 2 October 1943 (the day before, Chief of the Technical Department for Armament Production Karl Saur managed to convince Hitler of the merits of the new weapon). In November 1943, the Army ordered the issue of MP 43s for the troops in the Eastern Front, with the goal of having it as the standard weapon for more than a hundred divisions. Hitler would re-designate the weapon as the Maschinenpistole 44 (MP 44) in April 1944, while the production was given special priority by decree in August 1944.[25] . The type otsu was a one-off and the type 4, while made in larger quantities (120 - 250), never saw action. Compare it to the type 99 (3,500,000) and yeah… a captured M1 garand would’ve floated better (5,450,000 made).
The Hyde M44 never saw action either, and was basically a one off. The type 2/2A shouldn’t exist either, as though it was made in relatively large quantities (150 max), and it was used, it was never formally adopted (the type 100 itself only totalled 10,000 at best, leaving mp28/34 to make the bulk of their SMG arsenal). Not to mention the Tokyo Arsenal SMG that literally blew up during testing (and was of course rejected by the army).
I know there are probably a dozen more prototypial / one-off weapons in the tech tree, but that’s all I can come up with for now.
It’s not that they are fake, it is that they usually never existed outside the factory and often a single squad can carry more of htem than ever existed IRL
Fedorov avtomat was depleted after 1942 so them appearing every match at Berlin or Stalingrad is a fantasy, AS-44 only had 5 copies in total and only one experimental copy of model 5. RD-44 was never supplied to the troops till 1949.
Hyde was never supplied to the troops as it was too expensive. T20 had only supplied a hundred of them to the army by the end of ww2, and post war it was M14 that won as M1 replacement instead of his T20 anyway.
Entire JP tree starting from BR2 is a fantasy land so i don’t even need to look up at the examples.
Now since we have so many experimental guns (and are not stopping) i wish Germany would get some as their TT is full of boring usual stuff that we have seen too many times.
Also i believe the base T20 never was even sent to be field tested but the T20E1 as this was the improved version created after testing it on the proving grounds.
The mkb42(H) is in the tech tree
10.000 were made.
Fake is used loosely, we know definition nazi.
But what are we going to call them instead of fake?
Weapon that was not used in WW2 and only existed as prototype. Yeah the T20 and Hyde1944 will stay fake weapons.
Well at least here you are not wrong
This one is meme category because this trash was added to tech tree instead of Solothurn S18-100 which was utilised by Germany, Hungary and Italy in the tens of thousands.
The mkb42(H) is in the tech tree
10.000 were made.
please show me a source
second my point is 10,000 is no less fake than 100. the idea that the German army in enlisted is the real ww2 army and the rest are playing pretend ww2. how slightly more or less historically accurate. fake is paper or the inability of the faction to carry out intentions. like the heav7y 5 tank that is a clone of the tiger.
I am just sick of Germany larping like they were the best equipped army of ww2 and calling it history. through most of the war just about every buddy but the us had bolties and smgs. by the end of the war Germany was reduced to a poorly equipped militia. so we can a play an accurate ww2 or an alternate balance ww2.
if we play ‘accurate’ ww2 a mechanic that needs to be included to limit weapons by rarity. making Garands as common as water. while fg42s are as apples and t20s are hens teeth. a tirade my point is much of the German tech tree deserve to be in the game only slightly more than the t20 or hyde.
The FG 42 (German: Fallschirmjägergewehr 42, “paratrooper rifle 42”) also ignored this the fg42 was a specialist weapon not a general infantry gun the entire elect fire fun is a fallacy in enlisted. ,y real problem is the weeboos who attack every faction but Germany. Especially the us who outside of tanks was one of the best equipped of the war. not that you would know that by playing the game.
Then you are just playing the wrong game.
If you want historical squad loadouts then the devs would need to prefabricate every squad available to play but that is not possible as the game launched with flexible loadouts.
10 000 guns depending on the role its used in is enough for a division or an entire country such as Bulgaria that operated around 10 000 SMGs during the entire war.
fake, French army had an insane shortage of not only M1 Garand, but also M1 carbine.
The US failed to supply anyone with semi-automatic rifles other than its own frontline units.
You have zero idea how many support troops are needed in an army. Only 10-20% of your total troops are on the front line with the rest being cooks, mechanics, supply drivers, artillerymen, MP, signalers…
At least the weapons existed and were used other than some of the weapons the allies got.
Is the FG 42 on Wehrmacht a bit stupid? Yes, but that is just a problem of customisation not allowing me to use LW uniforms instead.
Apparently the US sent some to the Soviets in the Lend lease act, but the amount of semi auto’s appears to be unknown. Of course, by DF standards, that should be enough evidence for DF to justify the Soviets getting the T-20 in the next update. However, I am sure it was just a few M1 Carbines and Garands.
A shame 18 million Germans served and 4 million Italian sorry but I don’t care about Bulgaria. Over three million garands were made making it far common enough for front line troops. The six million carbines would be fine to equip support soldiers such as mechanics and cooks. Second again a source for the 10 00 mkb42 h that were made during WW2 as a lot of guns were made post war including 2 million garands. My point is not that I want an accurate WW2 that I want the weebs to stop targeting the US. The game is not accurate removing the t20 and Hyde would not make. It so. It would only unbalance it to the m2 was never balanced with the fg42 the Thompson never a counter for an assault rifle
Then why do I see more people complaining about the FG than the T20 for allies?
I know that T20 is BS but I dont call for it to be removed.
Just that it is another prototype weapon which never saw the front but somehow is TT worthy.
actually - almost all STG, MKB and FG42 scoped variants are fake, those weapons lost zero after shooting, which is why 99% of pictures of those were from testing grounds.
I have never seen people complain about the fg42 other than asking for it to be nerfed, not about it being a paratrooper weapon or it being fake. Can you link me to some of these posts. Because just about every thread talks about how the t20 and Hyde are fake guns wrecking the game…
