Standardising Damage for Weapons (Semi Autos and Slow Firing SMGs)

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There’s been a few posts like this, and I want to expand a little on those concepts and put some of my own ideas into it. Here, I’ll be focusing on all tech tree semi autos and sub 450 rpm SMGs. I feel like, since most bolt actions have standardised damage (carbines are 20.5, full power are 22 - 23.7), semi autos should also get standardised damage, and so should SMGs (every SMG that isn’t a thompson has a different damage number to the other, even though they shoot the same cartridge).

  • Full-size Semi Autos

I feel like all full size semi autos (SVT, Gewehr, Garand, Hei, Fedorov, Otsu, Type 4, Armaguerra, Johnson) should get 12.7 base damage. The reason for upgrading from an SVT-38 to an SVT-40 in that instance would be nicer recoil and better accuracy.

  • Intermediate cartridges

All intermediate cartridge firing guns (M1 Carbine, VG 1-5) should have 8.0 base damage. The VG 1-5 I’ve found is quite apt at killing people, yet the M1 Carbine struggles a bit too much. This would ensure better performance, while still BR II appropriate. It has (arguably) worse sights, worse recoil and half the magazine count. Even with 8.0 base damage, it’s still BR II appropriate.

  • Slow firing SMGs

Guns such as the M3 Grease Gun and Thompson series have 6.8 damage. The M3 Grease Gun shoots at 380 - 410 rpm, while the thompson fires at 600 - 800rpm. The FNAB, deals 5.7 damage, and only shoots 400 rpm. So, it shoots slower, deals less damage, and is BR II (same as the M3A1 Grease Gun). Both should be down tiered to BR I, and the FNAB should get a damage buff to 6.0. Another German SMG, the MP35, deals 6.0, so I felt that would be appropriate.

Of course, since a lot of people are complaining about many SMGs being underpowered, they could just buff all SMGs to deal 6.0 damage, but then that brings us back to square one with the slow firing ones. This way, there is a distinct reason to choose the FNAB other than a 40-round magazine.

(And please buff FNAB to 450 rpm, same as the M3/A1 Grease Gun; that’s what they did in real life).

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Personally, as painfully slow as the FNAB currently shoots it should get at least the same as the Thompson and Grease Gun when fully maxed which I believe is 8.2, or do what they should do and increase it’s ROF to 600 and keep the hit damage where it is. It is worthless as a BR2 smg as it is, and would be barely useable in level one as it is.

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People are using VG1-5 because they have no other choice as G41 is just pure garbage and doesn’t exist for 90% of the players unless you are 10% of masochists.

While Americans have abundance of choice especially with recent johnson rifle and m1907 they don’t really need to care about BR2 and M1 Carbine they can skip it straight into BR3.

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It would be a great gun, if it wasn’t for the terrible reload (which on its own basically kills it). I prefer using both the VG 1-5 and Gewehr 41. I equip the VG 1-5 on my engineer squad to create an assaulter-ish squad (the other factions use shotguns) and I use the Gewehr on my Assault/MG squads for longer-range power.

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Yeah, let’s just make everything to feel exactly the same because getting rid of minor differences is more preferable than to actually have some kind of variety in the game.

Minmaxers are true hell.

Can you stop using non upgraded values? It is so confusing.

Go play M3 then. Stop trying to ruin the uniqueness of weapon you won’t end up playing anyway.

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They are fine as they are, this is a completely unnecessary buff that won’t change anything.

FNAB is trash, same as M3A1. Just put them in BR1 and also hopefully people stop asking for buffs to them. Trash guns will be trash, let people who enjoy using those garbage weapons use them.

There is no, and never will be, any reason to pick the FNAB over any other SMG. The Beretta M38/42 is a great option for BR2. Use that instead.

The SVT-40 is honestly a downgrade from the SVT-38. It has worse recoil, the dispersion difference is negligible, and the extraDeviationTau value is lower on the SVT-38 which means it is more accurate quicker when going to aim down sight. It also has no tactical reload, which means the 38 is even better again.

12.7 base damage for rifles is whatever, its fine. The problem isnt these rifles but the body armour damage reduction. Otherwise this damage stat is not so important.

These are pretty random suggestions, and way too many in one post, this would have been better as individual suggestions, and with more thought put into how they actually effect the gameplay.

Its a no from me sorry.

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  1. Intermediate cartridges
    (M1 Carbine, VG 1-5) should buff their rof 320 :arrow_right: 450~500
    and put VG 1-5 ,M1c GL to BR2

2.Japan hei semi
Japan 's hei semi(5ver/10ver) using 6.5 mm (13.9DMG) ,ROF 290 which is awful
should buff the ROF 290 :arrow_right: 400~450

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