Lol, they are 2 different organization. What is the point of counting Volksturm units as SS?
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âThe Volkssturm was a levĂŠe en masse national militia established by Nazi Germany during the last months of World War II. It was set up by the Nazi Party on the orders of Adolf Hitler and established on 25 September 1944.â
âTo generate fanaticism, Volkssturm units were placed under direct command of the local Nazi party officials, the Gauleiter and Kreisleiter.[19] The new Volkssturm was also to become a nationwide organization, with Heinrich Himmler, as Replacement Army commander, responsible for armament and training.â
It´s an organization created by the Nazi Party themselves, had Nazi party officials as their commanders and they even used SS rank insignia not regular Heer ones. On paper they where their responsibility even if they where ultimately placed under Army command in the field. Also I said âprobablyâ not â100% most definetlyâ. Also wikipedia litterlay says it´s part of the Nazi party, like who else are they a part of if not them?
@CaptainSebekel
Don´t worry smart guy I´ve got my sources on speed dial, feel free to be ashamed.
So Bund Deutscher Mädel is also SS⌠sorry mean probably SS now, because they were related to the Nazis?
Too late. Already read your posts.
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Jagdpanther is SS
I used âSSâ as another word for âNaziâ since that´s what I assumed OP meant. It´s a Nazi militia, if it was created by the Heer I wouldn´t have mentioned them. Since OP was asking for squads of a Nazi Organisation the Volksturm units fit into that. You can call it moving the goal âpost, I call it âcry me a riverâ.
That´s not even that bad, I have to always stop my hand from reaching to my scissors when I just see your cringe worthy tophat skeletor ass in a discussion.
@khtk395
Please, share your opinion too. This is a discussion afterall no need to feel left out here smartass.
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Well. I think it must be hard to satisfy your intellectual level for sure. I am sure I cant comply with that level of needs.
Then why did you even @ed me in the first place when I didnt write anything here but like two posts that argued against you if you dont even like to read my stuff at all?
*le quirky way of saying âyou stupidâ. How original. That your entire personality appearently.
It´s called we do a little trolling. Also I´m always to give credit where credit is due.
Huh
I´m not just trolling whenever I´m here if that´s what your getting at.
My answer is not all encompassing since Im writing it from memory, but there are many SS units in the game but they arenât named SS and also have all symbols and insignia censored.
No one should be offended by realistic representation of a war in a video game, but sadly that isnât the case.
Anyway here is a list of some of the SS units currently in the game:
1st âLSSAHâ panzer division (Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler, a unit grown out of Hitlerâs bodyguards) in Normady TZ-45 squad.
2nd SS panzer division âDas Reichâ Moscow MG-42 early squad
11th Panzergrenadier SS âNordlandâ both in Berlin, tier 1 tank squad and tier 2 engineer squad.
12th Panzer division âHitlerjugendâ Normandy Panzer III M squad.
15th Grenadier SS division âLettische nr.1â Berlin tier 1 sniper squad.
23rd Panzergrenadier SS division âNerderlandâ Berlin Jagdpanther squad.
32th Grenadier SS division â30.januarâ Berlin Stg-45 squad.
33rd Grenadier SS division âCharlemangeâ Berlin, both tier 1 radio squad and tier 2 flamethrower squad.
As you can see, most are in late war campaigns, with Berlin having the most, while Stalingrad and Tunisia doesnât have any, because SS wasnât present in the first place.
These arenât all the SS units in the game, when you see a black crest, you can suspect that its an ss division and by google the name the game gives you + SS, you can find the real life unit the game is representing.
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ss units are they the spotted camo tunics /jackets
if they ss units why not Royal Marines commandos and SAS units or rangers also which were in WW2
as its a game I take no offense at ss insignia but historically they are mass murderers and allied forces would not take prisoners after the Malmedy massacre and their atrocity on the soviet people - einsgruppen units and Tottenkopf - which understand cant be portrayed - due to the involvement in mass extermination of ghettos in Poland â I get it but ss are german spec forces as much as their parachute /
alpine units I think are in the game but not sure
those areâŚ
the volkssturm tabs.
not ss:
which you can find on the in-game volkssturm unifoms:
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you could argue those are different:
( as one looks more like a diamond, and the other more of a piece of metal.
but itâs confirmed by the game & code that it is a volkssturm piece.
so for example, if i take the coat, and change the code of the texture with something else:
( with a red for example )
you can notice that the code " volkssturm_tunic_tex_d* " with the red changes the collar and tabs. as thatâs what itâs based on ( over the mouse. without looking at all the others parameters )
otherwise, it would give you an error as the game does not recognize the template / piece within the coat.
P.S. i used the texture name: " normandy_smn_2x2_far_grass_masks* " because thatâs the most red color that i found for clothing.
so, no. there are no SS collar tabs. i doubt the devs would shoot them selves by doing that.
they just had an " issue " with the normandy panther skin.
Additional edit, it might seems sus, through mods.
and theorically one would think that due being an editor, you can change textures to what you want.
but in order to apply a texture, you have to first tell the editor logic what you want to change.
hence, i cannot lie nor able to change the texture without the correct ID of the piece that iâm trying to modify.
otherwise it wouldnât work, and you will be notify in red on the top.
and as for op, you can make ss divisions in berlin:
Berlin:
plus premium jagdpanther, stg45, Gerat, Commando PZ IV J squads.
Normandy:
( only premium - look right with the shield icon )
then you have the 4th panzergrenadier regiment in moscow,
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Stupid to bring up war crimes, itâs a game and we already know what the Nazis were up to. SAS are already present; event squad for Tunisia. I agree the rangers should be added. They should also add the other SS squads, Totenkopf as well.
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The 2nd SS panzer division âDas Reichâ was not formed /clasified as a tank division until 1944. XD
If you are looking at the battle for moskow it should be called SS-Division âReichâ (mot.) (1941â1942)
Idk if DF just got its division wrong or if it is just not the SS division.
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what i mean by ss i meant the waffen ss so yea
All sides have committed numerous atrocities, why we hear less about allied war crimes is quite simple, history is written by the victors.
Waffen-SS units represented in the game were really just professional soldiers who didnât take part in the holocaust or mass genocide.
The most notorious SS units used to crack down on partisans are not in the game, sadly any partisan activity was avenged ten times fold on the local population by both Allies and Axis.
That didnât exist in WW2, not in the form we are familiar with. SAS and Brandenburg division did exist, but its the exception rather than the norm. Those units did indeed sow the seeds of special operations units but elite commando was a foreign concept overall.
To simplify things, SS had recruited many different ethics for a wide range of tasks.
The best SS divisions usually of Germanic ethnicity, panzer and panzergrenadiers divisions were used to breakthrough, demoralise or outright wipe out the spearhead of the enemy attack.
While infantry, later renamed grenadier as propaganda fought along side their normal Heer counterparts, not varying much in quality, usually of non-germanic people like Hungarians, French, Italian and many other.
Than there are calvary and gebirgsjäger SS units poorly equipped (least well equipped often with captured tanks and automatic guns) used for anti-partisan activity, these units would be made of local people or volksdeutsche, as an example for local people: Germans utilised Croatians and Albanians against the communist partisans in the balkans.
But the most infamous of all, the Dirlewanger was made of convinced criminals.
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ss are more like hitler pmc than special force right?
Well, it all started out as Hitlerâs bodyguards than SS was used to extend the party control.
It was Himmlerâs dream to be a soldier, he wanted the Waffen-SS. Hitler was indifferent in the matter since both Heer and SS were loyal to him.
SS has nothing to do with special forces. The SS largely existed as the govermental party attack dogs and to compete with the regular wehrmacht for equipment and loyalty.
Their biggest reason to exist was just propaganda and to ensure the wehrmacht needs to obey the nazi party or the SS would just get all the new and fun toys instead and replace them.
Due to the competition for new equipment and recruits the SS had a big incentive to present themself as the elite of the elite. But in reality they rarely meet those expectations of the frontline.
And it makes for better nazi propaganda if the SS takes something instead of the wehrmacht as they still had alot of generals not that fond of the party itself.
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i didnt say the ss are elite force i said they are more like pmc aka private military
edit:i notice that i kinda imply that but i never once think they were special force like sas just a bit more elite