🇬🇧 Squad Sandbox Customisation: Response to Operation Transparency

[Myrm1don]

@VoyoMayPL

buy as many squads as they want and freely choose their type/class

I had conisdered making that a part of the suggestion (as in choosing squad type) BUT, not all currently existing squads have the same specialists

i.e Some engineers cant build mg emplacements, some have double AT specialists etc etc

Then there was making all one vehicle lineups and i just left it…

So i thought it would be messy (more work). But yeah, I had thought about it, and do like it as you say

[VoyoMayPL]

I firmly believe in standardization. I’ll figure out something.

[Master_Snail]

@Myrm1don

Some engineers cant build mg emplacements

That’s why it’s split into Engineer I and Engineer II squads currently. And it can still carry over. And naturally, the Engineer II will cost more than the Engineer I squads.

@Myrm1don

some have double AT specialists

The only squad that doesn’t carry over is the Russian MG I. I think it’s the only MG squad without an assaulter or medic in it. However, the squads can be faction related too, as it would still keep some nation identity to have different squad setups.

My only question is:

Will the squads be completely upgraded when we buy them?

Many can argue with me on this, but I think the whole idea of upgrading a squad is kind of pointless. I’ve already grinded 100,000+ for the weapon and squad, all I should need to do is upgrade the classes’ abilities and weapons. We shouldn’t have to build a squad from scratch.

I might actually make a post on that.

[Myrm1don]

@sku111

The only squad that doesn’t carry over is the Russian MG

The messiness is more for those of us that have all the legacy squads. For example I have 3 AT squads 1s for Allies. One doesn’t have the same specialists as the other two.

Standardization would probably need to happen

@sku111

I might actually make a post on that.

You can if you like…or i can just add it here. I already had it ready for the mock up, i just removed it because hadnt thought it through enough

[CaptainSebekel]

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

not to be the black sheep, but as explained in another thread:

@Myrm1don

Basically, the player defines every detail. Names, emlbems, Flags, nationality, Branch…you name it.

that is not possible to do.

because how the core game of enlisted works:

@ErikaKalkbrenner

unfortunately, that’s not just possible.

the way it currently works,
the core system of enlisted is evolved around squads.

squads are defined entities.

( for example, ger_normandy_flametrooper_2
ger_normandy_flametrooper_1
ger_moscow_flametrooper_2
ger_berlin_flametrooper_1
axis_tunisia_flametrooper_1
axis_stalingrad_flametrooper_1 etc )

meaning, each squad has their own icon, their own settings, their own compositions with few variables for the player to chose.

in which, you cannot just " change it " on the fly.

otherwise you would run into issue such as some modders found ( primarily me ),
where if you reuse the same squads the game will not allow you to spawn with the other.

as the game recognize the same squad already being used.
and potentially soft lock your game.

@_DeadManWalking

Unit uniforms

this also is the other major issue.

squad uniforms are fully embedded within the customization presets of each squad. for example,
ever wondered why some squad have gray pants in the german army, but older ones do not?

that’s precisely because the customization is not actually " campaign based " as the game seems to imply.
instead, all squads have 4 different ( or more / less ) presets, in whom each are different from other squads. hence, if you were to add a helmet, you would have to add this helmet over 40+ squads across 120+ presets individually.

which it’s why we don’t get new cosmetics in the customization pool very often.

as the Ex community manager stated, there is not enough time, or money to fix the core system of this game.

so they instead opt to add more squads instead, and probably never bother with cosmetics at this moment in time unless it will get out of hand, or will change this system in the future.

beside, the cosmetic person working with presets uniforms appears to be only one.

all to say, it would be much better and easier to introduce legacy squads back.

but they probably don’t want to, as working with fewer squads would be more manageable.

so the " easiest " solutions are two:

• add all clothings to all squads presets ( somewhat similar to the current system, but the " segregation " would have to go )

• add new separate squads buyable with the missing squad classes ( italians / british flamethrowers, sniper squads, italian riders, apcs, pilot missing types etc )

[_DeadManWalking]

Oh just suggested something along those lines yesterday (@ErikaKalkbrenner did link the thread above when quoting her response; will quote what I wrote below at the end).

While clearly not easy to do, I still believe that a corresponding change of the squad system is warranted, in order to bring it into line with how the squads are now used on different maps of different “theatres of war” (i.e. to adjust it to reflect those changes in gameplay and squad use on maps + to give players a customization option using all those appearance orders). It just would make a lot more sense IMHO, but I never said (or believed) it would be something that can be done easily

Also since the merger I practicaly play with the same 4 squads, only very seldom switching something in (and doing that only if I feel like leveling them a bit more)… - …but then again I am someone who tries to equip the squads to reflect their historic loadout if possible (I know crazy +lol+).

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@_DeadManWalking_

This might not meet with a lot of support, but ever since the infamous “merger” happened (a.k.a. removal of the old campaign system), I feel that the entire squad system needs to be adjusted to the post-merger situation we now have (after all it does not look like this is ever going to be changed back, no matter how much some of us would want that → so we need to move on).

What exactly do I mean? Well, in the old campaign system only units/squads that actually served in the respective theatre of war were present. With the merger players are now able to play ANY of the squads in ANY of the maps that the nation is allowed to play on (so for example you can use “Pacific War” units on European maps).

I think it would make a lot of sense to change this and transform the squad system into a “generic one”, giving players the option to customize the squads extensively (one good use for all the appearance orders many players have collected) and (maybe) even unlock customisation options through progression (i.e. playing with the squad).

Possible customisation options would be:

• Unit name/designation
• Unit emblem/symbol
• Unit branch of service
• Unit nationality
• Unit uniforms
• Unit weapons & gear (a “fresh” squad starts with only basic equipment & weapons)
• Unit “specialists” or transform unit into a “specialist one” → i.e. normal infantry squad to a pioneer squad, etc.

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While I would very much like to see that such new squads would only be able to use a very limited quantity of high level weapons (for example an infantry squad should not have every solder able to bring an SMG or an LMG), I highly doubt the average Enlisted players would like that (once one goes down the “arcade” road there is no real turning back sadly).

[Myrm1don]

I think the point is it needs to evolve…Its completely obsolete and needs a rework. Merge left it even further behind.

its not the first time “core” components have been remade

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

welll…

as much i would too for a different system.

but as someone who used to be… important told me

hence, sorry for cross posting, but

Rework how we buy squads (basically Enlisted 3.0)

Why? make buying and upgrading squads more streamlined and intuitive allow players to make more squad presets and thus allow more customization (For example one lineup of UK asaulters and the other lineup of Aussie assaulters. Or one lineup of BR3 asaulters and the other lineup of BR5 assaulters.) Buying squads All current options to buy squads are to be removed. Instead in the shop there is one “Buy Squad” option. [image] (Ignore emblem) Selecting this option allows player to buy a…

this is more feasible as it requires less and uses the current system.

it’s also more controlled.

because it doesn’t actually change the core system to a point where you would have endless work and possible bug reports happening.

adding new squads is the solution.

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even though i’ll be the first one to admit that it’s going to be even worse for the this fella:

which appears to be only 1.

[Myrm1don]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

this is more feasible as it requires less and uses the current system.

And its a good idea and I support it.

But This is about making a better system, more than working with what we have. wishful thinking perhaps…but aim high

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

as much i understand it,

unfortunately things are not as they appear to be. or simple as one would like to think.

it’s like, if a car has a paint issue, it can be fixed.

but if the issue on the car is in the surperstructure, that’s very hard to fix ( i think… i’m not… good with analogies or cars )

point is, personally, i wouldn’t mind making your own squads etc.

but dealing with all the issues and shortcomings that might bring is just a headache not worth chasing.
neither for us as we might accidentally lose stuff or them having to keep track of all squads.

[Myrm1don]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

but if the issue on the car is in the surperstructure, that’s very hard to fix

Im talking about throwing out the car and rebuilding from the ground up

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

sure.

but i just don’t see this ever happening in light of recent comments from said person.

and definitely not when the person working for customization is only one. ( which that person doesn’t do just cosmetics )

[Myrm1don]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

but dealing with all the issues and shortcomings that might bring is just a headache not worth chasing.
neither for us as we might accidentally lose stuff or them having to keep track of all squads.

just spitballing, but I see this as no different than keeping track of our currencies and squads when merge happened.

As long as they know our total number of squads to each account, It shouldn’t matter. As squads are now a blank template and each player can just make them how they want, or put them back

But whatever. I sincerely hope they do something about this “1 cosmetics” guy…not nearly enough attention (as in get him some help)

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

tried to help that brave soul my self.

but it turns out the editor has different IDS and name items than the base game so…
( now, to be fair, i did attempted to found out the full list of clothes or how it functioned, but not a singe helper was able to help either. )
i’m rather useless on that front

and no, i have no intentions of becoming an alpha team tester.

[Cringemacht]

@Myrm1don

• Squad Branch (Define it as whatever you want…ie Army, Marines, Air Force…Furries…)
• Squad Name (use callsign orders to rename it whatever you want, Historical or otherwise)

I think this one should be dependent of your chosen emblem. Funny to see USMC Emblem to say it’s the 506th PIR of the 101st Airborne.

[Cringemacht]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

add all clothings to all squads presets ( somewhat similar to the current system, but the " segregation " would have to go )

I think this is the best and easiest way to do. Squad name and emblem doesn’t matter much when you can just dress your troop however you want.

[Myrm1don]

@Cringemacht

Funny to see USMC Emblem to say it’s the 506th PIR of the 101st Airborne.

Well thats the beauty of it…no one else sees this at all.

So those that care will choose properly…those that dont care and or know any better wont affect anyone that does care

[Cringemacht]

@Myrm1don

Well thats the beauty of it…no one else sees this at all.

Make sense I guess. It’s a win for everyone.

[Myrm1don]

@Cringemacht

It’s a win for everyone.

exaclty