🇬🇧 Squad Sandbox Customisation: Response to Operation Transparency

[Myrm1don]

@MajorMcDonalds

Regarding “ability to change soldier voices” - we can see how much players desire other nations in Enlisted

@MajorMcDonalds , I appreciated seeing Operation Transparency.

If I may, I want to offer feedback on the Nationalities segment.

The preview of changing solider nationalities on an individual level is most useful to us Veterans who own all the legacy squads.

However I think its just the tip of whats desired/needed for everyone (including Vets)

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Squad Customisation Full Sandbox:

I Believe the best way to please as many people as possible with the customization system is to go full Sandbox. If anyone has played Mount and Blade or Bannerlord 2 you will know what I mean.

Basically, the player defines every detail. Names, emlbems, Flags, nationality, Branch…you name it.

The Beauty is, apart from cosmetics/voices, everything else is “Client Side” (so to speak) so it doesnt intrude on anyone elses experience. Beyond the squad cosmetics and voices, No one else sees the squad name, emblem, branch soldier names etc etc.

Players can make Exactly what they want, be it historical, A-historical or nonsensse “without” intruding on other players experience/immersion.

Being that its mostly Client side, It also shouldnt be complicated to add. Once the structure is in place, you save yourself ALOT of headeaches with new additions.

Sandbox Customisation includes:

• Squad Emblems (linked to decals, Extra Emblems rewarded in events and BP)
• Squad Branch (Define it as whatever you want…ie Army, Marines, Air Force…Furries…)
• Squad Name (use callsign orders to rename it whatever you want, Historical or otherwise)
• Squad Nationalty (Cosmetics Pool, Alternative is to just have ALL cosmetics available)

You can Make ANY squad whatever Nation you like: (within the Faction)

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NOTE: Nation Attire, Voices and Faces are NOT Client side. So they will show to Everyone. Soldier Customization and Theatre Outfits stay as they are

@Myrm1don

So for all intensive purposes…your squad Will be British/Italian in the game if you make it so

example, Checking the Italian box, changes the attire pool to Italian…Combine that with the customisation they are adding to change soldiers voices and faces…You could make ANY squad British/Italian

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Mock Up:

AXIS

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ALLIES:

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Additional Bonuses

• This opens up more uses for event and BP awards such as Decals, Callsign orders, Customisation orders, and Attire rewards (such as Hats and camoflage).

Let the Players FIx it:

This has the extra bonus of removing the need/criticism of Devs not getting details right (Like British planes in American Squads and vice versa)…The players will have all they need at their fingertips to tailor/fix their own experience.

• As an addition for this to be seamless, all Planes/Vehicles will need to be available to ALL squads

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Combind with the teased customisation on an individual solder level, Most bases should be covered

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If I have missed anything yell out. I sort of rushed this out while Operation Transparency is Fresh…

[四秒男重生之2miaonan]

I agree, it’s a good idea, and to be honest he should have done it when the campaigns were merged, but judging by the current productivity of the production team, we’ll probably have to wait a long time, like Tog 2

[Cleetus_WA]

I’d prefer the ability to run British and Italian squads and have it not be client side, honestly.

I mean… I can do but need a few more British Engineers and would appreciate Italian AT soldiers. New players need more support in this area.

[Myrm1don]

@Cleetus_WA

I’d prefer the ability to run British and Italian squads and have it not be client side, honestly.

Im not sure I follow, The cosmetics/voices part isnt client side. (I was referring to names and logos)

@Myrm1don

apart from cosmetics/voices, everything is “Client Side”

So for all intensive purposes…your squad Will be British/Italian in the game if you make it so (everyone else will see it too)

example, Checking the Italian box, changes the attire pool to Italian…Combine that with the customisation they are adding to change soldiers voices and faces…You could make ANY squad British/Italian

[Cleetus_WA]

I misunderstood. Apologies!

[Dregomz]

Cool idea. Soviets/Japan have really boring looking squad icons (or emblems as you call them) so they could get something more pleasant to the eyes

[Myrm1don]

@Dregomz

Cool idea. Soviets/Japan have really boring looking squad icons (or emblems as you call them) so they could get something more pleasant to the eyes

Would be Nice to see favourite squads at a glance yeah…I hate trying to find the right Soviet squad.

[CaptainBeel]

Thank you for your post.

That screenshot with Choose Nationality and the Italian, Romanian, Hungarian and N@zi flags, THAT’s what I want.

You click a box and the whole squad is auto uniformed (and I guess voicelined where possible) to a certain nationality.

There would be a standard uniform and then default winter/Pacific/desert whatever uniforms where appropriate.
I’d argue for nations that didnt fight in a certain theatre, such as Romanians in the desert, just keep their standard European uniform or perhaps in the case of Axis standard German desert uniform.

I’d love to see this expanded to Allies especially for the Commonwealth. I’ve argued over and over how easy it is to create Commonwealth uniforms.
They already have the models for Australian and New Zealand uniforms, they just need to make them freely available.

Canada we just need a patch on standard British uniforms that says CANADA.

British India, same thing, just add a INDIA patch and a turban ‘hat’ option and a couple Indian soldier appearances.

Hopefully in the future this could also be applied to Free Polish and Free Czech (patches on regular British uniforms, see it’s really not that difficult DarkFlow…), Free French, Greek Army, Norwegians, Chinese etc.

As for player customisation with specifics. Yeah I guess I’m open to it. The main thing for me is just national headgear/hats since that’s usually how we identify different countries eg Australian slouch hat or French Adrian helmet.

For now I’d say just have precreated default national uniforms (remembering that for Commonwealth for example all the existing alternate options for British uniforms would still apply) and then perhaps in the future we could have the ability to give unit specific patches or whatever.

[Myrm1don]

Yeah.

This is just the squad customization template. As in the Parent Default settings for the squad. (seperate from soldier customisation)

From here you can still go in to the Soldier Customisation screen (how it is currently) and still choose theatre and cosmetics for each individual soldier!

So if you Choose the British Flag as the nation of the Parent Squad, When you go to each soldier, they will have a selection of British Attire…If the Parent Squad is American, they will have the American attire pool (Or any other nation you want)…I Made it sound more complicated than it is

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The alternative is just have ALL attire in one pool and players can build as they like.

The only reason I didnt suggest this, is this IS invasive on other players immersion experience…as you could mix match whatever you wanted and other players could see your rediculous mix match running about

@CaptainBeel

I’d love to see this expanded to Allies especially for the Commonwealth

@CaptainBeel I did a Commonwealth Mock up for you. added to main post

[CaptainBeel]

Agreed.

Haha thanks! Looks good. And yeah like I could name a squad 39th Battalion which fought on the Kokoda Track.

[VoyoMayPL]

It’s slightly offtopic but personally I’d go even further and additionally allow players to buy as many squads as they want and freely choose their type/class. This way you can make full lineup of UK flamethrowers and another full lineup of Ausie flamethrowers (just an example).

Though from my limited knowledge this may be quite hard to implement.

[sku111]

You should create a post on that. Sure it would get a lot of people’s attention (and a like from me).

[Myrm1don]

@VoyoMayPL

buy as many squads as they want and freely choose their type/class

I had conisdered making that a part of the suggestion (as in choosing squad type) BUT, not all currently existing squads have the same specialists

i.e Some engineers cant build mg emplacements, some have double AT specialists etc etc

Then there was making all one vehicle lineups and i just left it…

So i thought it would be messy (more work). But yeah, I had thought about it, and do like it as you say

[VoyoMayPL]

I firmly believe in standardization. I’ll figure out something.

[sku111]

@Myrm1don

Some engineers cant build mg emplacements

That’s why it’s split into Engineer I and Engineer II squads currently. And it can still carry over. And naturally, the Engineer II will cost more than the Engineer I squads.

@Myrm1don

some have double AT specialists

The only squad that doesn’t carry over is the Russian MG I. I think it’s the only MG squad without an assaulter or medic in it. However, the squads can be faction related too, as it would still keep some nation identity to have different squad setups.

My only question is:

Will the squads be completely upgraded when we buy them?

Many can argue with me on this, but I think the whole idea of upgrading a squad is kind of pointless. I’ve already grinded 100,000+ for the weapon and squad, all I should need to do is upgrade the classes’ abilities and weapons. We shouldn’t have to build a squad from scratch.

I might actually make a post on that.

[Myrm1don]

@sku111

The only squad that doesn’t carry over is the Russian MG

The messiness is more for those of us that have all the legacy squads. For example I have 3 AT squads 1s for Allies. One doesn’t have the same specialists as the other two.

Standardization would probably need to happen

@sku111

I might actually make a post on that.

You can if you like…or i can just add it here. I already had it ready for the mock up, i just removed it because hadnt thought it through enough

[CaptainSebekel]

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

not to be the black sheep, but as explained in another thread:

@Myrm1don

Basically, the player defines every detail. Names, emlbems, Flags, nationality, Branch…you name it.

that is not possible to do.

because how the core game of enlisted works:

@ErikaKalkbrenner

unfortunately, that’s not just possible.

the way it currently works,
the core system of enlisted is evolved around squads.

squads are defined entities.

( for example, ger_normandy_flametrooper_2
ger_normandy_flametrooper_1
ger_moscow_flametrooper_2
ger_berlin_flametrooper_1
axis_tunisia_flametrooper_1
axis_stalingrad_flametrooper_1 etc )

meaning, each squad has their own icon, their own settings, their own compositions with few variables for the player to chose.

in which, you cannot just " change it " on the fly.

otherwise you would run into issue such as some modders found ( primarily me ),
where if you reuse the same squads the game will not allow you to spawn with the other.

as the game recognize the same squad already being used.
and potentially soft lock your game.

@_DeadManWalking

Unit uniforms

this also is the other major issue.

squad uniforms are fully embedded within the customization presets of each squad. for example,
ever wondered why some squad have gray pants in the german army, but older ones do not?

that’s precisely because the customization is not actually " campaign based " as the game seems to imply.
instead, all squads have 4 different ( or more / less ) presets, in whom each are different from other squads. hence, if you were to add a helmet, you would have to add this helmet over 40+ squads across 120+ presets individually.

which it’s why we don’t get new cosmetics in the customization pool very often.

as the Ex community manager stated, there is not enough time, or money to fix the core system of this game.

so they instead opt to add more squads instead, and probably never bother with cosmetics at this moment in time unless it will get out of hand, or will change this system in the future.

beside, the cosmetic person working with presets uniforms appears to be only one.

all to say, it would be much better and easier to introduce legacy squads back.

but they probably don’t want to, as working with fewer squads would be more manageable.

so the " easiest " solutions are two:

• add all clothings to all squads presets ( somewhat similar to the current system, but the " segregation " would have to go )

• add new separate squads buyable with the missing squad classes ( italians / british flamethrowers, sniper squads, italian riders, apcs, pilot missing types etc )

[_DeadManWalking]

Oh just suggested something along those lines yesterday (@ErikaKalkbrenner did link the thread above when quoting her response; will quote what I wrote below at the end).

While clearly not easy to do, I still believe that a corresponding change of the squad system is warranted, in order to bring it into line with how the squads are now used on different maps of different “theatres of war” (i.e. to adjust it to reflect those changes in gameplay and squad use on maps + to give players a customization option using all those appearance orders). It just would make a lot more sense IMHO, but I never said (or believed) it would be something that can be done easily

Also since the merger I practicaly play with the same 4 squads, only very seldom switching something in (and doing that only if I feel like leveling them a bit more)… - …but then again I am someone who tries to equip the squads to reflect their historic loadout if possible (I know crazy +lol+).

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@_DeadManWalking_

This might not meet with a lot of support, but ever since the infamous “merger” happened (a.k.a. removal of the old campaign system), I feel that the entire squad system needs to be adjusted to the post-merger situation we now have (after all it does not look like this is ever going to be changed back, no matter how much some of us would want that → so we need to move on).

What exactly do I mean? Well, in the old campaign system only units/squads that actually served in the respective theatre of war were present. With the merger players are now able to play ANY of the squads in ANY of the maps that the nation is allowed to play on (so for example you can use “Pacific War” units on European maps).

I think it would make a lot of sense to change this and transform the squad system into a “generic one”, giving players the option to customize the squads extensively (one good use for all the appearance orders many players have collected) and (maybe) even unlock customisation options through progression (i.e. playing with the squad).

Possible customisation options would be:

• Unit name/designation
• Unit emblem/symbol
• Unit branch of service
• Unit nationality
• Unit uniforms
• Unit weapons & gear (a “fresh” squad starts with only basic equipment & weapons)
• Unit “specialists” or transform unit into a “specialist one” → i.e. normal infantry squad to a pioneer squad, etc.

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While I would very much like to see that such new squads would only be able to use a very limited quantity of high level weapons (for example an infantry squad should not have every solder able to bring an SMG or an LMG), I highly doubt the average Enlisted players would like that (once one goes down the “arcade” road there is no real turning back sadly).

[Myrm1don]

I think the point is it needs to evolve…Its completely obsolete and needs a rework. Merge left it even further behind.

its not the first time “core” components have been remade