So do the IIIs.
But unlike the earky IIIs, the 45mm cannon can pen ALL German tanks.
Debatable since it has the same cannon. Also T-28 isnt that bad and can pen all German tanks without looking for buggy sloped spots.
So does AVS (mostly used against Finland), DT in Moscow, Avtom and the T-50.
So does the SVT. Soviets gave most of their basic troops Mosins.
Oh no. The most overrated Tier III SA rifle has to go?
Fine. Then also remove ABC and Avtom.
Most of their troops didnt had access to them. The AVS was already removed from service after its horrible performance in Finland and saw very limited use in WW2 along other stuff the Soviets got from their depots to somehow supply their troops. Same goes for SVT. The crappy SVT-38 probably shouldnt really exist here and even the SVT-40 wasnt issued to the standard meatgrinder soldier.
AVS and Avtom have better accuracy. Take a look at the dispersion sheet or ask their creators. Even SU Mgs are more accurate than the MG34, including the Chauchat.
This thing has no recoil. Wanna try recoil? Play the MG34 or the DP.
Talking about nerfs. Mg34 and DP got heavily nerfed, Mkb got nerfed because Soviets didnt want to play against a low disperion gun in SG (while its fair play that they have tons of them lol) and T-28s post pen dmg got nerfed.
And not like you have two other drums lying around.
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Yea-yea same old wheraboo boo-hoo all around.
You know what? If AVS should go, then as well should go ZH, MKB and G-41.
65 thousands of AVS 36 is compatible number (and we had them before the war) with german G-41 100 thousands ever produced (production pumped-up in panic mode when nazis met thousands of Soviet soldiers with SVTs near Kiev) and lets point out that it’s number up until 1943.
And we are not giving up SVT. It had been 150 thousands of 38’s and more than 1.5 half million 40’s. G-43s were at 400k and they are fucking everywhere.
And BTW let’s also cut every wheraboo favourite FG-42 out of the game. 7k total. Its damn non-existent! And I insist on limiting axis to only one MP-38 and one MG-34 per squad. Damn bolt-action mausers you can take for free. They are even better then SU semi-auto snipers after bolt-action buffs.
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Okay cool. I dont use them in Moscow anyway.
Doesnt matter if they were only really used in Finland, where they mostly got lost, destroyed, captured by Finns or scrapped because it got withdrawn from service.
Same as for the ABC.
By 1945. In 1942, only 260k have been produced. Isnt much of you consider Finland and the size of the Red Army.
Limit it to gunners and/ or paras.
But they are actually more proofs that this thing was in Normandy than that the AVS was in SG, let alone Berlin lol.
Like literally all nations apart from shock and raider trooper squads.
Which is why they also got buffed there. Doesnt have the sniper AVS OHK dmg?
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We had 4 DPs per MG section, while nazis were issuing 1 MG to every section. Thats a stone to your “all nations”. Secondly. We had entire platoons armed with PPSHs (or SVTs, or both). That’s a thing axis started doing only with MP-43s. And before that they were issuing maximum of two SMGs per section.
So even if you take AVS in exchange for all fantasy axis toys then you will still be curbstomped. Basically because now in game axis uses SU section structure. With original section weapon distribution axis is doomed because of overwhelming superiority in number of soviet SMGs, even nerfed.
(That’s if we go along your idea of “USSR HAD NO GUNS REEEEEEE”, which we are not doing :))
And how common was this in reality?
Which I mentioned.
And the Avtom and the early PPD.
And talking about so-called accuracy of PPSh, MG34 should be one of the most accurate MMGs ingame.
Which didnt matter much in the past because in old glorious days both sides spammed rifles which they partly do again thanks to glorious BA buff.
Your guns are not nerfed except AVS for a few days. Everytime your stuff got nerfed alongside other faction stuff. Did you ever looked at the dispersion sheet.
No but your stuff was mostly shit apart from makeshifted PPSh. If this game would consider logistical and reliability apsects your stuff would suck, at least harder than Axis stuff before 43.
And could you start to reply to all of my points?
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You can use the gold card, you can use T50 at level 1
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In this case, AVT should not use fully automatic mode. The Soviet army prohibits soldiers from using fully automatic mode, because it only needs about 200 rounds and its rifling will be completely ground. Compared with AVT, FG42 is much more reliable.
Poor guy, I hope you haven’t played Red Orchestra 2, compared to that game, this game’s ppsh is the best and easiest ppsh I’ve ever played
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I don’t bother answering to your points because you will never accept my answers.
I’ll just quit here.
One last stone. Our SVT “was so shit” that axis actually copied it’s gas piston system for G-43 because… Because they couldn’t figured better system themselves.
I could go longer and harder on how axis sucked. How their tanks sucked, and how they were losing every major battle since Moscow because they had no ammo, fuel and manpower and only were winning local victories because of thin soviet fronts.
But it has no point. Game is set, we have all guns. And wheraboo whining wouldn’t change that)
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Played it. Common mistake. Devs think “mo shooty les controlly”, but in reality PSSH were at least 50% more accurate then PPD-40, according to GAU tests.
If you think the FG42 in the Normandy campaign is unreasonable, then why do you think the AVS in the Moscow campaign is justified? The German riflemen in Moscow didn’t even have automatic weapons, at least the US had the M2.
Based on practical considerations, they have not mass-produced, and M2 has not been used by front-line infantry on a large scale, so is FG42, and so is AVS.
For gameplay reasons, why only one side has automatic weapons? Is this what is called balance?
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ppsh doesn’t get any unfair treatment in this game, it performs much better than other games
Basically because there is footage of parade in Moscow 1941 with soldiers who were sent to front from that very parade.
They had AVS, SVTs, Lewis guns and everything besides that except PPD-34/38s and Winchesters 1895s.
We had them guns, had them en-masse and used them. And lets be clear, there is no way to balance weapons without tweaking and staking them. Soviet MGs and some tanks, planes, etc are bad. So do axis. But yelling “REMOVE AND/OR NERF All best SU guns and tanks” is just a no-go. As I just shown, axis has the same problem.
The reason is very simple. If one faction has a weapon, the other side should have a weapon with similar functions. This is called balance.
If the Soviet army has a fully automatic rifle AVS, why does the German army only have a semi-automatic ZH29?
If the Soviet army has T34 or T50, the German army should have at least tanks that can fight against it instead of being crushed by T34, and even against T50 is very difficult.
Soviet planes suck? I don’t think so, they even have rockets that can efficiently kill infantry hiding in a house, and “casting” bombs have a wider blast range than welding bombs. The German planes can only be used to make up for the disadvantages of the tanks. In many cases, the German planes will only use suicide attacks to clear the tanks, while the Soviet planes stay in the sky for a long time.
The Soviet light machine guns are very poor. Compared with the MG34, they are indeed inferior. This insignificant gap compares with the ZH29 and AVS, or the MKB and Fedorov?
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Like you accept my answer lol.
Pussy.
SVT-38 was shit. I dont know if a gun is good if the magazine keeps dropping or if the Soviets instantly replaced it with an upgraded version after its first campaign.
Hard words for a commie coper whose simper nation had the highest tank casualties in the entire war? Wasnt the T34 kd 1/7 before they finally turned it into a decent tank?
Should we also mention that the Soviets always had way higher losses despite on the winning side and having “superior” gear?
Since you are calling the Soviet “our nation”, I dare to question you and your emotional objectivity.
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Leaving aside the level of player experience, the Moscow Soviet army is superior to the German army in terms of hardware, even a lot better.
In Normandy, the U.S. military has advanced P47 and P38, riflemen have M2, and submachine guns have Thompson. The German army has long been criticized as an “unbalanced battle” because of its FG42 and Tiger tanks.
In Moscow, the Soviet army has advanced T34 and T50, the riflemen have automatic AVS, and Fedorov with 12.6 damage. The German riflemen have no automatic weapons. The MKB42H of the assault soldiers is inferior to Fedorov in terms of damage and rate of fire. The tank was crushed by the T34, and it can also be called “the most balanced battle”
It’s kind of scary to be honest, coming from a country that doesn’t exist lol
The superior balance of both sides taking turns curb-stomping eachother as they both get OP shit that can’t be countered until the other gets the next OP shit.
Only in moscow, german faction get his counter wen he need another counter already from 10 lv back
