Some new stuff for germany

[GasMasters]

While the latest aditions were nice,they are really just gimmicks,save maybe the BR2 marder.I will suggest some stuff that can be added to the TT below.and remeber,all the veichles can be ported over or reused and most of this stuff can be put in folders together as to not increase the grind.

Veichles

SPAAs

Germany lacks a proper SPAA avaible to everyone (which is really needed),and there are 2 good choices for this,but both could be added.

Flakpanzer 38(t),BR1
A panzer 38(t) chassis with a 20mm flak gun mounted on top,not really much special.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Flakpanzer_38

Sd.Kfz 251/21,BR1
An Sdk.Fz with some 15mm MG151s (preform similarly to .50 cals) on top,would be closer to the M13,lower damage but higher volume of fire while still being exposed.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Sd.Kfz.251/21

APCs

Not really needed,but why not have them?

Sdk.Fz 251/10,BR1
A version of the Sdk.Fz that has the same wildly Ineffective 37mm cannon on the early panzer 3s,this would admittedly be more of a gimmick since it doesn’t even have a MG unlike the 251/9 (or 2 MGs on early panzer 3s),less ammo for the cannon,gun that’s not really great at anything,casemate,and open topped.for these reasons I think it is deserving of BR1 (I think most APCs should be BR1,so this shouldn’t be the only one there).

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Sd.Kfz.251/10

Opel Blitz,BR1
While the Sdk.Fz 7 is nice,its power compared to other APCs doesn’t feel quite right.having the arguably more famous opel blitz in the TT as well should help with this.they can reuse the models found around the maps with a little touch up and it’s ready.

(Couldn’t find an in-game picture)

Opel Blitz

TDs/SPGs

There are quite a few that can be added to here,so I’ll try to go over some of the best overall picks

StuH 42G,BR3
A StuG with a 105mm howitzer.this one would be an equivalent to the sherman 105,but should get some HEAT shells to make up for it having no MGs and being casemate.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/StuH_42_G

Brummbär,BR 4
An equivilant to the KV2 1939 in the TT,also has no MG,but has slightly better armour in exchange for being casemate.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Brummbar

Ferdinand,BR4-5
A casemate Porsche Tiger rurned into a TD,nothing too special about it,but lacks a MG.It would be nice to see since they axed the Jadgpanther for no reason at all.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Ferdinand

Elefant,BR5
A modified version of the Ferdinand with relatively minor improvements,such as the addition of a MG,zimmerit,and a commanders cupola.should be foldered with the Ferdinand.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Elefant

Guns/equipment

I’m not going to put very many here since these would take longer to make,but I’ll try to get some of the main things.

Shotguns

Germany should have a better,larger capacity shotgun to better match the US shotguns,and any of these 3 could do that while all being super uniqe,or all 3 of them if DF is feeling generous.

Shögren Inertial shotgun,BR2
A Swedish semi automatic shotgun using an inertia system,plenty uniqe,most being bought during the 1920s.

Sjögren shotgun

(And a gun jesus video of shooting it)

Shooting the Sjogren Inertial Shotgun

Becker Revolving shotgun,BR2
A shotgun using a revolving magazine with 5 chambers for shells,made during the 1920s

Becker revolving shotgun

More gun jesus,no shooting though

Becker Blow-Forward Revolving Shotgun

Walther Semi Automatic shotgun,BR2
A very uniqe toggle lock shotgun made by walther in the 1920s with a uniqe loading system.

More gun jesus shooting,towards the end of the video if you want to skip history and all that

Walther Toggle-Locked Semiauto Shotgun (ouch!)

MGs

Yes,the dreaded discussion of german MGs has arrived. I’ll suggest a few of these to be added.

MG 15 nA,BR5
A ww1 MG used when supplies were running out

Bergmann MG 15nA machine gun

LMG 14/17 with scope,BR5
MG that has a detachable scope

Parabellum MG 14

AT

Panzerfaust 30 klien/faustpatrone 30,BR2
A less powerful version of the panzerfaust 60,would be nice since you won’t need to use the terrible sturmpistol or annoying to aim GrB39,and would preform similarly to the M1 bazooka

(Top one)

Panzerfaust

[DrCatsville]

@GasMasters

Germany lacks a proper SPAA avaible to everyone (which is really needed)

Well its not a WT and things but there was an event spaa and to be honest in this game setting spaa are more as a problem than a great tank spawn, like all you can kill are planes and people (the last one depends on how big mag is and how good is weapons rpm) but the main spaa problem is people can snipe you out, planes have much easier time to kill you because you are fully open, thats why most of the times you will never see any spaa truck in game to be spawned

@GasMasters

TDs/SPGs

Problem with spgs/tds their lack of the turret, in urban maps you will have hard time playing them but that doesnt exactly mean that i am against it i just find it strange in our game setting

But at the end i would love to see more stuff added to the other factions like japan and us, then germany, mainly because those 2 are really suffering from the holes in their tt, other than that i think its an interesting topic

[GasMasters]

@DrCatsville

most of the times you will never see any spaa truck in game to be spawned

I see them quite commonly at BR1 when noobs who got their first tank squad use the ta-se or M13,but yeah otherwise SPAAs are really uncommon save for vertans who have the event SPAAs.I hope to have SPAAs and other autocannon veichles moved to the rider class so it doesn’t waste a tank spot and you can still use it without sacrificing a slot.

[GiltBurrito7238]

@DrCatsville

but the main spaa problem is people can snipe you out, planes have much easier time to kill you because you are fully open, thats why most of the times you will never see any spaa truck in game to be spawned

@DrCatsville

Problem with spgs/tds their lack of the turret, in urban maps you will have hard time playing them but that doesnt exactly mean that i am against it i just find it strange in our game setting

Yes but the point is for variety and immersion. Why would I play as an open topped self propelled gun when there are a thousand different things that can easily kill me? Because its a sandbox shooter of the greatest war of all time

We all know the risks with every vehicle.

I say someone should play whatever vehicle they want and do whatever job they can.

[Yamoto4299]

@GasMasters

Shotguns

Germany should have a better,larger capacity shotgun to better match the US shotguns,

I think the shotguns you suggested are too rare to be in the tech tree, instead they should be event or gold order weapons.

Also shotguns should be a niche and Germany should be given something different but equal for their assulters.

[GasMasters]

@Yamoto4299

I think the shotguns you suggested are too rare to be in the tech tree, instead they should be event or gold order weapons.

The time for such a thing has passed with the as44s,RD44s,ho-ris,ect.,a shotgun won’t be that bad,and espcially for shotguns that were actually made in larger numbers then some of these more recent additions.

@Yamoto4299

Also shotguns should be a niche and Germany should be given something different but equal for their assulters.

What would that be though?there really isn’t much else that can be given to them at low BR or any BR at all that would be something like shotguns.

[BF109g14]

I want that panzerfaust 150

[_DELAVR]

Some things seemed superfluous to me, such as the Flakpanzer 38(t), but otherwise a good list, especially liked the shotguns!

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

all i not most suggestions sounds reasonable enough, nice additions and quite balanced for it’s brs

however, imo,

the 251/10 i guess should be br2.
because it can pen most of the tank it can face, which sure, it’s a td, but it’s still a td.

the 251 Drill should be br2/3.
it can melt infantry.

however,
the

@GasMasters

Brummbär,BR 4

@GasMasters

Elefant,BR5

@GasMasters

MG 15 nA,BR5

eh, feels more event / premium territory

mixed feelings about the panzerfaust 30.
on one hand, a good low br at weapon.
on the other hand, kinda too much pen and relatively versatile with no downsides compared to the grb39 ( making it useless )

but for the rest, sure, in a near future.

however, i feel like the sturmpanzer II would be a honorable mention for br 2/3

[Yamoto4299]

@GasMasters

The time for such a thing has passed with the as44s,RD44s,ho-ris,ect.,a shotgun won’t be that bad,and espcially for shotguns that were actually made in larger numbers then some of these more recent additions.

A line has got to be drawn somewhere, I don’t particularly like the inclusion of prototype weapons in the tech tree. If every experimental weapon can just be added, then it opens the flood gates for more fantasy guns.

@GasMasters

What would that be though?there really isn’t much else that can be given to them at low BR or any BR at all that would be something like shotguns

Overall shotguns aren’t that powerful and won’t make the USA significantly stronger than Germany.

But perhaps one thing that can be done is included better low tier smgs for Germany or more choice (include limited amount of captured stock)

Another thing that can be done to slightly reduce the issue is a 3rd barrel on the luffwafe drilling.(Would be a pretty interesting gimmick)

[GasMasters]

Thanks,but I kinda disagree with these points .I’ll try to justify these as they are,from my POV at least.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

the 251/10 i guess should be br2.
because it can pen most of the tank it can face, which sure, it’s a td, but it’s still a td.

Sure it can penetrate,but have you used an early panzer 3 recently?those thing struggle even with penning stuarts when a bit of range is added,and god forbid you fight a grant or lee,and not to mention losing all the good features of the panzer 3.I feel it would have the same fate as the 251/9,having something uniqe but because of the higher teir,the gun you use the thing for just won’t be effective at the higher teir (and it’s a 37mm,the weakest real cannon in the game,unlike the short 75 decent is good at infantry support.)

@ErikaKalkbrenner

the 251 Drill should be br2/3.
it can melt infantry.

But by that same logic the M13 should be BR 2/3 as well,since it would preform almost the same as the 251 would in terms of infantry killing capability,if not better due to overheating much slower so you can fire longer without overheating.I don’t thing having one more gun would justify 1 or 2 more BRs higher then something so similar.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

however,
the

@GasMasters

Brummbär,BR 4

@GasMasters

Elefant,BR5

@GasMasters

MG 15 nA,BR5

eh, feels more event / premium territory

Why is that though?For the Brummbär,since the russians get a massive HE launcher in the TT for free…kinda logical to have one in return that can fill the same role.The Elefant I don’t think should be event or premium because the improvements aren’t that great and likely won’t really do anything (unless they actually model the MG to work),but even still it’s not much of a necessary thing to warrant it being $60+ or locked behind an event and disappear for a year and a half,and that’s why I think the simple change and should be a folder,like the tiger E and H1 (even though they are in the wrong order).The MG15na was kinda just a random MG that feels like it would preform along the lines of the M1919 or Maxim-Tokarev,so I’m curious why you say this one is more event material then the scoped MG .

@ErikaKalkbrenner

too much pen and relatively versatile with no downsides compared to the grb39 ( making it useless )

as for the GrB39…I hate it.the aiming is terrible and I cant hit anything with it when I zoom even after adjusting the range,and often just run up to sides of tanks and hip fire it,and the sturmpistole…6 seconds is just way too long.to make it more fair they can artifically nerf the pen to like 60mms or something like that and increase the pen of the GrB39 to be higher then that,or make the reload longer then the GrB39 (if they make it longer then the sturmpistole I will be in jail).

@ErikaKalkbrenner

however, i feel like the sturmpanzer II would be a honorable mention for br 2/3

100% agree

[Wieloglow]

New stuff utterly needed.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@GasMasters

Sure it can penetrate,but have you used an early panzer 3 recently

if you are talking about the panzer III B, yes. that is pitiful.

but is not much different than an A13

@GasMasters

251/9,having something uniqe but because of the higher teir,the gun you use the thing for just won’t be effective at the higher teir (and it’s a 37mm,the weakest real cannon in the game,unlike the short 75 decent is good at infantry support.)

because their role of apcs is not to be of tank destroyer.

it would kinda be too much with not many downsides.

i feel like br 2 would be balanced as you still face tanks that can’t be relatively one tapped.

@GasMasters

Why is that though?

because the brummbar is a better version of a kv2. ( with 17 sec reload ).

sure, less HE capabilities but it’s quite armored and it’s much faster than a kv2.

not to mention, it has the god tier shells anti everything.
( theoretically )

it doesn’t have coax, so… sure.

this one, i’d be more on leaning on, sure. perhaps it can be TT. or, to the very least, event vehicle.

mostly because we would expand on making the TT longer.

@GasMasters

Elefant,BR5

because the elefant is straight up better than the ferdinand.

it has a coax.

it should get the kv2 treatment.

not to mention, both the ferdinand and elefant can be a nightmare to be fought by the western allies.
if anything, would be an improvement over the ferdinand.

( which you would have an argument with the tiger H1 and tiger E. as well as tiger II P & H )

@GasMasters

MG 15 nA,BR5

personally… eh… ww1 weapons should be event things.

and mg42 with 100/200/250 rounds should be a TT one.

or, mg 08 because of being more produced, actually being used in ww2 by the volkssturm. which yes both were used by the VS, but if we are going for the TT route, it would make much more sense to see the mg 08 than the mg 15NA due to being much more produced.

and get the other as an event or premium to limit it’s appearance.

with that being said, i can see your point about X or Y being a thing, and some of them were extreamely rare, or… not even made outside paper or mockups.

so… i suppose a matter of opinions.

@GasMasters

as for the GrB39…I hate it.the aiming is terrible and I cant hit anything with it when I zoom even after adjusting the range,and often just run up to sides of tanks and hip fire it,and the sturmpistole…6 seconds is just way too long.to make it more fair they can artifically nerf the pen to like 60mms or something like that and increase the pen of the GrB39 to be higher then that,or make the reload longer then the GrB39 (if they make it longer then the sturmpistole I will be in jail).

i dunno…

personally, i use to love all low br AT weapons. but the grb 39 is the best among all of them.
it takes a bit of practice to get used to the drop of the projectile.

but you get 10+ ammunitions, which it’s more than any other.

however, AT rifles mostly for AA purposes.

[Wutentbrannt]

I like most of your suggestions, except one: Shotguns

Germany never put shotguns into field service against enemy personell until today. The usage was rated as inhumane and cruel since WW1.
Even the Luftwaffedrilling, having two shotgunbarrels, was fielded as a personal defense and hunting weapon for pilots serving over north africa.