So they tried to make intermediate 9mm. Gotcha
I’ve always just said that the M2 carbine should be an AR, with stat adjustments to make it one.
… Or it would have been if it wasn’t a hotter loading of the 9mm Glisenti cartridge which was dimensionally identical to the 9mm Luger but with much lower pressure.
The standard loading of the Glisenti cartridge didn’t have enough energy to reliably work the bolt on a submachine gun, so a hotter load had to be made specifically for the submachine guns.
I think it was still lower pressure than a standard 9mm Luger, though.
Okay, interesting I guess, gotta read more into this then, half truths can cause apparently more problems than people realise.
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Although, looking at it; the Beretta 1938 just used 9mm Parabellum
The M2 Carbine is not an assault rifle. It is a full auto modification of the M1 Carbine. A carbine. Nothing more, nothing less
Now the M4 Carbine on the other hand is just a carbine version of the M16. That’ll fit the definition without problem. Why you’d want 5.56 out of a 14.5” barrel is beyond me but the army wants what the army wants
The M2 is by no definition an assault rifle. It doesn’t even fire a modern rifle round. It’s borderline an oversized pistol round. Round nose and all!
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It doesn’t really matter what it was irl(see: AVTs, FG-42, zk-383.) In-game it’s more similar to ARs than SF “rifles,” and it would have the gameplay benefit of giving the US an AR.
I’d rather see the Hyde Light Rifle or something more build like a proper rifle to be our assault rifle. Rather than an automatic M1911 replacement
Thank you for your post.
I fully support this. It’s a downright wrong that basically anything related to Australia/New Zealand is locked behind premiums (aside from the Owen gun which for some stupid reason is given to Yanks who never used it).
I dont see why some variant of the Austen cant be a tech tree gun. Austen Mk II perhaps?
It’s a good SMG and would add more variety. Maybe another Owen variant as well.
As for higher tiers the only SMG I can think of would be the Sterling.
It makes too much sense to add the sten MK5, to the tech tree. Basically just copy paste the Sten MK2 stats with a few changes. I think the perfect spot for it to sit would be in the third slot of BR III.
With this there would be a proper BR III SMG with a higher muzzle velocity than the 265 of the Thompsons. First developed in 1944 in February. Also capable of having a bayonet, which I would include because why not? The Japanese have bayonets on their SMGs and the Soviets have a Premium squad with one.
This is just a mock-up of what the stats could look like. Fully upgraded with non upgraded in parentheses.
Max upgraded stats:
Damage 6.9 (5.8)
370 Muzzle velocity
605 ROF (550)
Reload 2.1 (2.3)
Vertical 25 (28)
Horizontal 10 (11)
Feed: 50 round
Weight: 3.2
Cartridge mass: 12.7
Firing mode: auto, semi
This weapon is capable of utilizing lanchester magazines, But could also be compatible with a 32 round sten magazines of previous models.
We really should have more weapons that are not US-based. Just in the tech tree alone we have 3? Plus we have the few event squads and some premiums. There’s a lot of free real estate for SMGs, Sten MK5, Sterling SMG, More Owens, potentially more Austens, etc.
Plenty of things that are not Thompson’s, Some of which would sit good at BR III and IV. The BR V additions would be more artificial stats compared to the others, unless someone can find a accurate and acceptable SMG that would fit the bill. I would say the Sterling for V but I feel that’s best for BR IV. I’m not against BR V ones, I’m just not sure what our options would be for non US ones. But we could definitely use more with higher muzzle velocity within the tech tree, at a minimum one for BR III and IV. The rest can be whatever.
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100% agree. I’ve argued that the current USA-UK tech tree is very US focused (personally I think we ought to have a separate UK-Commonwealth tree with Commonwealth uniforms, weapons and some squads).
Sten Mk 5 is good.
I agree with BR IV for Sterling. I wonder if there’s any Commonwealth SMGs we dont know about, perhaps Canada, South Africa or India experimented with something? I read there was a Canadian variant of the Sterling.
The Austen Id particularly like to see added because 1. I’m Australian 2. It’s not a direct variant of a Sten or Thompson or Owen. It’s technically a new gun so having that variety would be really good. 3. It’s just a good gun.
It should be fine to add some variant different from the event/premium one. Also I was pretty sure there was a M50 Reising premium squad and then they added it as tech tree for Pacific?
Id happily see some Sten or Owen variants as foldered options as well.
BR V to me is very annoying. Pretty much any suggestion on here someone makes there’s always the “But whadabout BR V?” complaint. Frankly, sod BR V. So many trees struggle to fill BR V or make it balanced, and either way I fail to see why good suggestions should be ignored just because every single BR isnt fully covered.
The following is still USA but I have seen it suggested Allies getting a 20 round mag Thompson for lower BRs (the Axis get a shorter magazine Beretta, which was one of the best SMGs of WWII). Id welcome that.
The best SMG for USA is an event weapon lol.
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Veselý V-42
Veselý V-42
Production information
Technical specifications
Weapon type
Caliber
Action
Length
33.3 inches (85 centimetres)
Barrel length
10.4 inches (26 centimetres)
Feed system
60-round detachable tandem box magazine
Cyclic rate
Selectable: 900 – 1000rpm
Other information
The Veselý V-42 is a prototype submachine gun that was designed by Czech engineer Josef Veselý and manufactured by British company VAP Holdings Ltd.
History
The V-42 was initially designed in 1940 by Josef Veselý, a former Brno engineer who fled to the United Kingdom after the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Germany in 1938. Veselý sent blueprints for the design to the British Army’s Ordnance Board, who rejected the weapon on the basis that the Lanchester submachine gun had just been adopted and they were not looking for new designs.
Nevertheless, Veselý made a working prototype in 1941 (known as the V-41) and submitted it to the Ordnance Board in October 1942. Trials took place at the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield in November. It failed a mud test but otherwise functioned well. The overall view of the Ordnance Board was that the V-41 was a quality weapon and should be considered for further trials. Subsequently, the Royal Navy trialed the V-42 onboard the HMS Excellent, but their opinion was that the recoil was too strong and the fire rate was too high. The Navy rejected the V-42.
In 1943, British Graphitised Metals Co. Ltd invested in the V-42 and funded the production of further prototypes. The production rights were given to VAP Holdings Ltd and by June that year, six prototypes had been produced - three regular V-42s and three V-43s, a variant designed for paratroopers. The V-43 differed only in that it had a folding stock. In 1944, four of the prototypes were sold to the Ordnance Board and trials took place in Pendine, Wales and Valcartier, Canada. Again the weapons performed well but the design itself was considered too complex and was rejected in favor of the Patchett machine carbine and the BSA machine carbine.
Design Details
At first glance, the V-42 may look like a strangely undersized assault rifle of sorts; however, the V-42 does have a variety of interesting features. One of the weapon’s notable features was a rather crude rate-of-fire adjustment device; by engaging or isolating a buffer spring located near the bolt, the weapon’s rate of fire could be adjusted, although in both cases the rate of fire was still rather high (900 and 1000 RPM respectively).
However, the most notable feature of the weapon was its magazine. The weapon used a sixty-round tandem magazine which held thirty-one rounds in the front column and the remaining twenty-nine in the rear. A mechanism is situated in the front magwell that depresses the rear column below the travel of the bolt until the front column was empty, at which point an interlocking lever would be released and allowed the rear column to feed into the weapon.
The V-42 also has provisions for a spike bayonet; a spike bayonet can be mounted on the barrel of the weapon.
60 rounds, Czech Designed, British built, bayonet
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No no, it’s fine at the current ratio. Too much British stuff in my opinion even. Lol
Why does it matter? You don’t have to play with the british equipment if you dont like it. We do have a bunch of british squads in game and so there should be more variety. Not to mention we only have the thompson five different ways in high BR
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