Siam as sub-faction within Japanese Tech Tree

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I would like to propose that Siam (Thailand) be considered as a sub faction within the Japanese tech tree.

This is to add more content to the lacking Japanese tree and add more variety to the game, including unique tech that we wouldnt normally see in game.

There is already a Thai Ha Go in Enlisted so we have precedent.

Siam was allied with Imperial Japan during WWII and fought France in the Franco-Thai War of 1940 and according to Wikipedia fought in Burma and Malaya as well as the previously mentioned Franco-Thai War.

What I have done is copy this list of Siamese weapons as used during WWII. I have removed the Japanese weapons that are already in game.

Pistols and revolvers

I believe these Siamese additions would be especially helpful to the Japanese tree given that good sidearm options for Japan are lacking.
The Luger and C96 Mauser were used by Japan (the latter sometimes taken from China).
Some of the pistols here are American origin however they are not currently in game and Japan does have pre war American imported tech such as the Browning Auto 5.

Automatic pistols and submachine guns

While Japanese SMGs are quite good at the moment, I dont believe a Thai MP35 or MP18 would be a bad addition.

Rifles

Japan currently lacks a BR IV semi auto rifle. I believe the ZH 29 would be a good addition as we see here it was used by Thailand but was also especially used by the Chinese army so Japan would probably have captured some.
I also would consider the Swedish Mauser since we havent got one of those in game.

Machine guns
Having another option for BR II Japan LMGs would be good as the Type 11 isnt great and the Type 97 is good but not for all situations.
Type 66 Madsen.

Armored cars

There have been suggestions previously for more armoured cars across all factions. I agree with this sentiment and have therefore kept the Vickers Morris as a Thai option, perhaps as a premium or event.

  • Vickers-Morris M1931 (6 purchased)

SPAA

This could be a good SPAA option. The Ta Se isnt very good. As a long term suggestion Id add this Vickers 6 ton with pom pom AA guns as a high rank Japan SPAA and the Americans can have the M16.

Tankettes

Rider class option? Unlike some other tankettes the Carden Lloyd was quite exposed.

Tanks

Japanese tanks arent equally known as great, especially at lower tiers. A Thai Vickers 6 ton would be a good addition as we do not have a Vickers tank in game. I would assume that the Finnish model from the Swedish tech tree in War Thunder could be reused with Thai markings.

Aircraft

We see here that the Japanese captured Martin B10s from the Dutch and gave them to Thailand. An American bomber, but not currently in the Allied tree. War Thunder has both the original 1930s American version and Chinese version either which could be used with Japanese/Thai markings.
Likewise the BF2C biplane, as it is not in the Allied tree I dont see why we couldnt add it to the Japanese tree.
I dont think I would add the O2U.
I am aware that the E9W is a Japanese plane, I kept it on the list as I dont believe it is in game so may be an option.

  • Avro 504 (strafing airplane, 20 imported in 1930, 50 locally produced)
  • Curtiss BF2C goshawk (fighter Used 24 Made in Thailand 50 total 74 imported in 1934-1938.)
  • Curtiss P-36 Hawk (fighter The Royal Thai Air Force procures 25 aircraft Only 12 units were delivered. with 23 mm air cannons. )
  • Martin B-10 (bomber airplane, 6 received from USA in 1937 and 9 ex Dutch airplanes from Japan in 1943)
  • Vought O2U Corsair (12 bought in 30 March 1933, 25 built in 1936, 50 more built in 1940, locally designated Type A-1 observation and attacker)
  • Watanabe E9W (submarine borne airplane, 6 imported in May 1938, locally designated WS.103S)

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If there are any players here from Thailand I would welcome your input as to additions youd like to see :slight_smile:

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i think japan is completely set for SMGs and really doesnt need any more, but they do need a BR4 rifle and i wouldn’t say no to some german-based rifles (japanese tangent sights are not my preference anyway)

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Sorry to ask this but can you find any info about Thailand/siam receiving any zH29, they ar often mentioned along with ethipia and China as order weapons but unlike a handful of countries there is nothing about them, receiving, having or using the gun.

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Fair question. I merely copied from Wikipedia. Their source is cited as follows:

Smith, Joseph E. (1969). Small Arms of the World (11 ed.). Harrisburg, Pennsylvania: The Stackpole Company. p. 310
(Small arms of the world; a basic manual of small arms : Smith, W. H. B. (Walter Harold Black), 1901-1959 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive). ISBN 9780811715669.

The chapter says it was used by Ethiopia and Thailand to a limited extent.

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Can’t read with free, what exactly does it say use or ordered. How many weapons received I know. Low most likely low hundreds but well no I am invested.

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I could read it the quote was what I said. “used by Ethiopia and Thailand to a limited extent”

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The trouble is thats often interchangable with ordered.nni have read a lot that talks about China Ethiopia using the gun, but Thailand nothing past th y ordered them so they had them which gives me Japan heavy tank 5:vibesl

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555, you have to be joking - yes, im from Thailand

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Nahh, late type hei rifle would be more interesting, I know it was a gold order weapon but TT version could be different. It could be type hei late long rifle as apparently the GO was a short variant.
So just as there were gold order guns that the only difference in appearance were stocks or length, same could be done with Japanese weapons.

In my opinion native weapons will always be better:
Type Hei Long Rifle (Late)>ZH 29
Type 2A (6.5mm x 30mm)>StG44
Type 97 AT with ji te dan grenade launcher>Ofenrohr

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Sorry what does 555 mean? Do you not like the idea?

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well, I did my best to research how many ZH-29s were used by the Thai army, but I never found a good answer, considering that the Type Otsu is a copy of ZH, Japan has captured at least one.
not that it matters since the alternative for Japan would be a weird prototype rifle produced in even lower numbers anyway.
Besides Axis dont use the ZH-29, I havent seen a single player use it for half a year now as everyone seems to prefer G43 over it so sharing such an underused weapon (that is not meta) shouldnt be an issue.

just add it with a 24 round magazine so its unique, would be good addition for BR1/2.
I dont have source at the moment, but I read that Thailand had also tested ZK-383 (maybe potential premium with 40 round mag?)

Another famous weapon used by Siam is the “Wild Tiger corps SMLE”
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Thank you very much for your work!
Considering that Siam was heavily involved in the Burma campaign, they should have been added with the Tiger of Burma update.

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sorry what does this have to do with my post? I dont recall writing about a Japanese assault rifle.

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Theos33 suggestion it’s a question to uim

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Ah righto fair enough.

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IF you were in Thailand you would know. 555 = hahaha

Thai’s use 555 all the time :slight_smile:

I don’t love the idea, as Thais could not fight their way out of a paper bag

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I mean, neither could the Italians and theyre in game :wink:

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Hmmm you are right lol :crazy_face:

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