I think shotguns are rather crap and not really a viable choice in their present station. While that is fine to the extent that they were certainly niche - they should be buffed at least to be situationally useful.
Firstly just some observations from the range: They seem to be zeroed wrong and the shot lands consistently up from your aim point rather than around it. You can try it out yourself:
Aim at the center of the target at 10m in practice mode. You will see that most of the hits are actually at 8-6 above the target instead of clustered around 10-8 at the center.
This might be one of the biggest reasons for the suckiness of shotguns: They dont shoot where you expect them to. The problem gets worse with distance with the natural spread of the shot.
That’s probably something that should be looked at - at least i didnt expect that type of behavior.
I would additionally propose two changes:
1.) Non-lethal shotgun hits should have a notably increased chance to knockdown at 0-30m range.
2.) You should be able to interrupt the loading cycle to shoot with pump action shotguns.
Happy to hear any other ideas in the community
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I think making them all BR 1-2 would be sufficient. They aren’t terrible, just outmatched quickly.
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The semi auto shotty from Pacific is in truth really good.
It’s just that it’s not as versatile as a smg…
Like @Man_bear_pig said simply putting em in low br might be enough.
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I’m not sure I’ve ever actually used the Auto-5, it might deserve BR 4.
Depends.
The current draft have extremely biased things, like a pps42 as early as tier 2. That thing is definitely way more powerful than the semi shotty…
Semi shotty would be fine at br 3-4 if the pps42 and pps43 were at better br, like br6 (like mp40).
Quite eager to see if they reworked the sheet well, or if it’s still nonsense such as the pps thing.
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I want to modify shotguns like pubg
Duckbill, or choke
I used to love shotguns in BFBC2 because I could play them with slugs and in hardcore mode it was one shot kill as it should be
Unless shotguns drop the enemy at close range the way it should, I’m not interested
I stopped playing with them when I noticed they weren’t dropping people in one shot at close range, kind of ruined the point of having a shot gun for me
… You already can. I do it all the time.
I greatly disagree. I use them on all my assaulters Normandy and Tunisia Allies. I actually find them to be quite effective, but they have a steep learning curve.
My ONLY complaint is that I can’t put a shotgun on my engineers, yet I can put automatics like m2 carbines and fg42s on them.
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#BringBackOldShotgunsFromBerlin
man… one tapping people at 20 meters was truly something else…
like… realistic?
instead of now where you are not gonna kill anyone at 6 meters with one shot…
shotguns have been nerfed so hard that it has become truly a challenge. not only you have to dodge bullets, and move from cover to cover, but you have to get close and hope for the person that you are about to kill, doesn’t kill you first. but then, completely ruined by the rng of where your first shot might not actually kill the individual. and he has a squad next to him.
not to mention, toz and Luftwaffe drilling have only 2 shots per reload…
idk why this post hasn’t got so many likes, but it deserves them.
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I agree, berlin shoties were fun and powerfull. But I had a problem with them, they were too common (imo).
Sadly when devs nerf they nerf to the ground.
well, yeah. they were common because those were at low levels.
but now, according to their tab ( of the merge ), shotguns won’t be at low levels ( relatively speaking ) so… if they decide to go with that placement, they should upgrade them. bring them back to their original glory.
even more now considering that picking shotguns will be a gamble since you don’t know which map you’ll be playing.
and most likely, cosindering that br, it looks like Moscow and Tunisia are in that range looking at the others unlocks.
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Holy shit, I never tried just pressing r again. Thanks!
I just press the “shoot” button and it interrupts it to shoot…
Or slamfire and slugs.
(very slow automatic and extra range)
Honestly how they are currently implemented in game they feel like they are firing birdshot shells that is nothing than a bunch of BB Pellets fired at them instead of buckshots or slugs. Plus thier dispersion is just gross. To me shotguns should feel like the Bolt Action Rifles for Assaulters but at close range and they don’t feel like that. To me choosing between a shotgun to a smg should be a trade-off on which preferences you want.
There will be some improvement about shotguns VERY soon, stay tuned
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If they just give them the same zoom that rifles have when right clicking I think they would be good, I good arround with a full shotgun squad in berlin when I play berlin and thats what I would do
Dragonsbreath?
Or dare I ask;
Slamfire?