Under that logic, a Level 16 Winchester should be better than a Garand you unlock at Level 7.
Except it isn’t.
My mistake. I was in a hurry and translated the post with a translator. Shotgun he translated as rifle. I thought you meant bolt action rifles like the m1903.
+1 shotguns still are quite useless , just nice for the memes, it required 2 shoots to kill someone bit further than 5 metres away.
The same braindead, blind logic that nerfed the PTRD: to bring the double-barrels “in line” with other shotguns with no thought as to if that makes any sense or why other shotguns were different.
It’s not a sensible change because shotguns have different guages and different chokes.
These patches are being brought on by some incompetent dev who thinks they’re making the game more realistic without putting any thought into why stats are the way they are before changing them.
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kind of sad the shotguns haven’t been fixed yet like come on how hard can it be to push an update reverting the shotgun nerf.
No offence devs.
This thread was made in august still nothing has been done about it i have a feeling the devs are not going to listen to the community on this one.
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Give them time to enforce the new silver-only policy for weapons as well.
Then, when they will see that nobody will be spending silver for a shotgun, they’ll consider buffing them to a point where they will be ridiculously OP, so they’ll over-nerf them back later
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They can do better, IMHO, see my ideas here: Shotgun History and Realism vs Balance (it’s a long read, fair warning)
Can’t agree here. It would only really benefit Normandy and Tunisia Allies, which have the stronger shotguns.
Can’t really agree here. They aren’t the worst thing to have in CQC, but they’re not worth taking as a main weapon, and I’ve had more success putting large ammo pouches on my assaulters instead. YMMV.
Should be a sidegrade. Trading ammo capacity for better damage and shorter TTK.
This. To achieve any real spread at close range with a shotgun, you need either a larger guage (8 would do it) or a much shorter barrel, and even then you’re not hitting two people at once. If you’re wondering about what shot the game uses, it’s quoted at ~2mm (smaller than #9 birdshot) and does less damage than .25acp out of the TK1926 per pellet. Pure nonsense.
Based on the math in my shotgun damage post (Shotgun Datacard Incorrect) The only advantage a shotgun currently has is that even with their nerfed damage, in CQC they negate medpacks. If the videos I’ve seen about damage calculation are correct, it takes 10 damage to down someone, 20 to kill outright, and the only bolt guns I’m aware of that do 20 or more in a hit (on a torso hit) are the pre-order alpha bolt actions and the berdan.
That Normandy CBT Auto 5 tho drool
2.75" 12ga 00 buckshot, 9 pellets per shell.
Leave mah freedom units alone! There’s two kinds of countries on the planet: Those who use metric, and those who have been to the moon XD (it’s a joke, I know it’s bullshit, don’t come at me.)
This is off topic, but the US never adopted Metric because the standards being sent from france were captured by british privateers.
writes this whole thing and then realizes this post is popping up after months
I don’t always necropost
But when I do, I wake up the whole graveyard
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shotgun , flamme trowers, AT rifles , long list of weapons that are extreme situtional and still undevelop in their “main” roles
I mean, the shotguns aren’t as good as they should be, but flamethrowers and AT rifles are harder. They’re not gonna get flamers right, they suffocated more people than they burned. AT rifles are basically working as they should, not big enough for a payload so it’s like shooting solid AP, gotta hit the crew, or hit the rack and hope it blows. The Rifles were designed and made at a time between the wars, when tank armor was still thin, it’s a miracle they work on the tanks we have in Moscow at all.
then i dont get why we have a full squad aboout AT troops when they are quite useless , apart of Moscow,
Engineers squad is far more usefull dealing with tanks , u can build a nice AT cannon , but AT rifles ? not even point blank u get oenetration is most of tanks,
another problem with AT rifles is that for some reason they are very inaccurate(ironically making them useless outside of detpack throwing range)
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There’s some kind of bug or back-end wizardry happening with AT rifles. When I use them against infantry, I don’t find it difficult to get hits, they shoot to point of aim and the bullets are movin’ so you don’t need much lead. In moscow, when I fire at tanks with the PTRS/D, a lot of my shots (even at closer ranges) just don’t register as hits on the tank, which either means the rifles aren’t accurate when pointed at a tank, or there’s a bug in the hit detection. In Tunisia, the rifles we have are basically useless against the armor present, so it’s better just to treat the AT guys as high-damage iron-sights snipers.
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Nowadays they basically made the shotgun a clone of all other first person shooters shotguns…
Back pre nerf it was the most realistic shotgun I have ever seen in a game with the ability to one hit kill at 30-40 meters. But to balance it it had limited ammo and a long reload.
The problem is that everyone liked the shotgun the way it was but then out of nowhere it was nerfed so that it had half the number of pellet’s then cut the damage of the remaining pellets in half as well and on top of all that increased the spread…
So now you basically have to be within 10 meters to land a one hit kill.
What makes this so bad was the fact that no one asked for this nerf it just dropped out of the sky one day similar to the more recent Semi Auto nerf…
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No. Not guaranteed kill even then for some weird reason 
I´m literally failing to kill players that aren´t even 5 meters away from me…
2nd shot sometimes kills, sometimes even that doesn´t, which makes even TK pistols prefferable option in comparison.
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Maybe, just maybe, when the weapons economy will switch to silver only too, and the Devs will see by hard data that ABSOLUTELY NOBODY bothers spending silver or gold on shotguns, they’ll consider undoing the need at least partially.
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Knifes are better than shotguns in 9/10 circumstances
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Bump!!!
Please revert the shotgun nerf gajin and decrease the overall spread.
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I’ll leave a comment here not to create a duplicate.
Maybe that’ll revive theme.
Now, a year later, this topic is even more relevant.