Kinda irrelevant if there is no rank based matchmaker. You will always see the highest level players hogging the tank slots. Also, you can pay your way past the low level gear and instantly buy a Jumbo if you want to as well. The Jumbo really should be replaced with something more fair. Of course, that does not mean that other balance adjustments should be made as well. Maybe replace the M8 Scott with an M7 Priest?
On that note, as things get further down the line, i think that the devs should probably implement a campaign progression rank based matchmaker at some point. At the very least a high and low level split.
Also the M7 priest isn’t a good pick for a replacement of the Scott, as I mentioned in another thread before - the 105mm sherman is a better equivalent of the 3N with the same gun, with a slower ROF, similar firepower, and more armor. Alternatively, there are pumas and other armored cars or halftracks on the german side with the same gun as the 3N, that would be a better equivalent to the M8 scott. Or we could bring in British tanks with 75mm guns to replace the M8 with.
The Priest should be up against a Wespe, if it’s added, as far as closest equivalents.
No it’s not a tiger - it completely lacks a decent anti-tank gun - so it doesn’t need a nerf.
See how easy that was?! 
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I don’t know why people act like the Jumbo is some kind of wonder weapon. It’s really good don’t get me wrong, but it’s not impossible to destroy like people think it is. I’ve killed them before by shooting through the hull MG before and by flanking them. I’ve also killed them on foot by sneaking up to them. Also the Germans get insane CAS for nearly all their planes so I don’t get what the problem is lol. They’re also extremely rare, and I easily kill anything in my Panzer 4 that isn’t a Jumbo. The Panzer 4 gun cuts right through the M4A2 sherman.
Harder to kill is a sign of inbalance if it doesn’t trade anything in return.
Let’s say some special squad had properly functioning modern body armor from the future (just like how the uparmored Jumbo is from the future from Normandy) And are completely invincible to body shots. It would be stupidly OP, but according to you, because you can still headshot them, or bomb them, they are balanced? Yeaaaahhh no.
The planes are an entirely different discussion entirely.
Just like how the Sherman can quite easily deal with the Pz4 (depends on how angled the Pz4 is as well as the range, so not quite as easily as vice versa, but that could be fixed by giving it APHE instead of solid shot AP)
The M7 would be more of a glass cannon. Open top so easily dies to infantry etc, but the gun is much larger. I wouldn’t mind putting it up against a Wespe either, though. I agree a puma with 75mm stub gun would fit, but then there would be 2 pumas, which is a bit too much. The M8 Scott is the one that should be replaced, imo. However, the 105mm sherman would probably be really powerful in game.
Fighting against Panzer 4’s is really janky because of how US AP rounds work atm. Some rounds go through and others are seemingly swallowed by the void. The Jumbo does technically have the tradeoff of less mobility than the normal sherman. I’m not saying it’s historically accurate or anything, but people act like the Jumbo is some vengeful God lol. I’ve never had a problem fighting them personally, in fact I worry more about the stuart spam since my team is usually incapable of destroying tanks on their own regardless of what kind they are.
The fact that the Sherman has solid shot AP is perplexing, to be honest, as well. It’s not only a balance concern, but it’s also ahistorical, as M61 APCBC with HE filler was the standard AP round for the Sherman by 1944, and even the later M61A1 APCBC (also with HE filler, better construction of the ballistic cap, and an improved fuse) was in wide circulation by Normandy. Indeed, production of M72 solid-shot AP had largely ceased by early 1943, long before normandy.
This is a technical issue, not a balance issue. All damage and armor models are kinda fucked rn. This is universal across all vehicles.
It’s not nearly enough for what the armor provides: Invincibility to players who don’t know where to shoot the Jumbo.
yup. Remove Jumbo, give better replacement tank, add M61.
It’d be powerful but a far better equivalent of the 3N, which currently acts as a mobile bunker for Germans, which is why it’s so effective in a meta sense. The 105’s slower turret traverse and long reload, however, make me think it would be a very close equivalent.
The M7 priest really doesn’t fit that same sort of meta, is the main issue, and there is a clear equivalent for the axis that could be provided in the Wespe. Meanwhile, short-75mm armed Pumas would also be thematically similar to the M8 Scott, which like the M5A1, is at least visually similar to the M3 Stuart. With both the 75mm Puma and the Scott being open topped as well, they would also so too share the same weaknesses to boot.
How could you “not know” where to shoot the Jumbo though? It literally uses a war thunder arcade red or green aiming reticle to indicate penetration system.
It’s a tiny spot across the entire front face. You would have to happen to come across it if you are a newbie. And even then, there is no guarantee the newbie would hit it, or that they would even realize what they are shooting. Meanwhile, the Jumbo absolutely wrecks newbies. This is just too much for a game without any proper matchmaker.
I personally think we should separate the vehicle classes into 3 categories:
Recon:
M8 Greyhound / M5 Stuart vs Sdkfz 222 (20mm turret with open roof, similar to the 20mm puma in WT) / Puma
Fire support:
M8 Scott / M10 / M7 Priest / Sherman 105 vs Pz3N / StuG3F / Wespe / StuH42
Armor:
M3 Lee / M4A2 Sherman / M4A1 76mm vs Pz3L / Pz4J / Pz4H
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Yeah, I’d say for the jumbo, issue a temporary removal until higher tiers can be added, and I’d act as follows;
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Institute a 75mm armed puma to equate to the M8 Scott where it is currently.
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Bump the Pz IVJ and M4A2 sherman up to the campaign slot where the Jumbo and IVH currently are. In their place, add the Panzer 3N and the 105mm Sherman.
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Instead of the Jumbo, Place a M4A1 76mm sherman against the Pz IVH. (given the A1’s are a bit easier to pen than the A2 shermans)
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Past this point, include the M7 Priest vs the Wespe, M10 vs Panzerjager IV, M18 vs Panzerjager IV/70, and at least one set of self propelled AA somewhere, probably M16 MGMC vs Sd.Kfz.251/21?
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Finally, at the very top of the campaign tree, put the Jumbo back in, vs the Panther D as it’s closest Axis equivalent, to prevent people complaining about the Jumbo being removed completely or only left in the hands of early adopters.
Will be really OP, probably.
Nah. This would fix nothing. Everyone would eventually have the Panther/Jumbo anyways.
Maybe limit the panther/jumbo to one per team at a time like bombers currently are? Also, “everyone would eventually have” ignores the sheer grind to get there and the number of people who won’t have the time to, and the average influx of new players vs veterans getting bored and playing less. There should never be a point where, assuming say 100 campaign levels, that something that’s endgame tier is spammed in a setting like this. Also, there could always be the implementation of some degree of campaign tier matchmaking added down the line.
As for self propelled AA, I don’t think it would ever be more of an issue than bombers are already. Also both of what I mentioned as a possibility are based on large halftracks, meaining they’re both quite large and easy to spot targets, and lack gun depression. Furthermore, they’re also HMG based AA, meaning they can’t do anything to tanks.
still waiting on the Bazooka too instead of the pansy PIAT.
The pansy PIAT with a little bit slower projectile but more penetration than the magic Bazooka?
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don’t forget early accuracy and faulty ammo that drastically reduced the benefit of the better penetration.
Well early M1 launcher with M6 rockets were rolling a dice if it worked at all and hat the same problems with ingnition on slopes as the PIAT. The later M1A1 (and later M9) solved the reliability issues but even the M6A3 rocket had only 4" pen like the PIAT. And no matter the version the rocket had only an advantage of something like 5 or 6m/s Vo
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