Regarding Plane Upgrades and Modifications

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Am I mistaken, or do planes really lose max speed the more you upgrade them… my bf109 G6 went from 654km/h to 681km/h after I removed all of its upgrades.
I did this because I wanted to upgrade my g10 which appeared to have a max speed of 726km/h, but as soon as I upgraded it once to 4 stars, it went down to 696km/h

And all of this because I thought the fw190 is a completely worthless piece of garbage, having barely a better turn timethan the bf110 by some 2% margin, but my fw190 is fully upgraded to 6 stars, so I’m beginning to think… do these upgrades genuinely add armor onto the planes, or am I somehow mistaken…

I can’t imagine what else these upgrades must be adding to reduce the speed so drastically. A total loss of 20km/h top speed would be acceptable, but that’s usually for putting bombs on the plane, not for any other kind of upgrades. Any loss over 20km/h completely outweighs any advantages the upgrades may give.

I see that only one of the upgrades mention +5% to empty mass, but that shouldn’t decrease flight performance so badly, and it definitely doesn’t say it applies to every single upgrade, so I’m confused as to what’s going on here and why my planes are losing speed and flight performance the more I upgrade them.

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Yeah - I’m wondering about those “Plane cover modification” figures - you would expect a beneficial modification to result in a DECREASE in drag from negative modifiers to the coefficients.

I can’t help but wonder if they’ve simply got this the wrong way around??

Not too concerned about a strength increase linked to a small mass increase - that’s not entirely unreasonable - but those drag coefficient figures just seem arse-about-face!!

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You wouldnt ever reach these speeds. The speed says if i am correct when the airframe is gonna kick the bucket or “die”

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Yeah in WT Maximum speed stands for how fast the plane can go before endangering the wings ripping off while going in a straight line, though the only reasonable way to reach it is to dive down from like 1000+ Altitude (Which i don’t think that mechanic made it to Enlisted so no premature wing amputation!)

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again… not true at all…

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i dont know how many threads about the same issue one can answer the same again and again…
You cant reach that top speed on a straight line in no plane in the game at no scenario than diving at high altitudes (as my video befor show)
, the diference is that a upgraded plane will get “faster” there. neither can reach the 600 top speed on a straight line.

forget the less 20km/h possible top speed you cant reach. you gonna get a faster acceleration plane either way upgraded.

the diference tho, its still marginal.

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a 740 Tas plane can only do around 500 on a straigh line over 10km course (exacly the same play zone as current end to end of a ingame match. :

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regarding the fw190 a8 vs a 110 g-6 ,
yeah its stupid. the 110 g-2 was atleast 100 tas slower irl …

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yes but fear not your climb rate and turn will compensate for that.
Your G10 will become the ultimate hunter and will be more sturdy for what ever it helps being an German usual paper plane that is xD But its well worth it in my book, even with the 109 A2

You will not get up to that speed but its an good indication what acceleration you will bring to the table but also that plane usually lays around 550 running away and its more then enough speed against others to compete on

How ever im still confused how sometimes an hard covered plated plane like the PG can compete with that speed though
Enlisted is an weird place for sure

But i do agree how ever that all the Attack planes in this one are way more agile and faster then they should. Especially the allies ones that has so much armor (that shows better in their “hybrid fighter planes” though like p47s and such which usually are more bulkier in turns and speed to show for their insane armor)

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I think I should clear up that what I’m really confused about is why these upgrades lower its top speed in the first place.
I’m aware the planes cannot reach their actual top speed without diving, but why does the drag coefficient increase with each modification? Maybe I’m just stupid and not understanding this, but it’s not like the air frame itself changes, right?

But does it really? Correct me if I’m wrong but it doesn’t say it increases acceleration at any point in the statistics, and unfortunately I haven’t tested acceleration before and after upgrades; I see the upgrades are supposed to be beneficial, such as stronger engine, which would indeed imply better acceleration, but all I can see in the stats is that turn time increases and top speed decreases, which I perceive as bad.

It seems completely random and totally disregarding whatever armament the plane is carrying.
Only thing I can say from personal experience that even made me analyze these stats more carefully is that a fully upgraded fw190 A-8 flies like a total piece of junk compared to an un-upgraded bf109 G6.

I have a hard time out turning enemies even when I have a much better energy advantage now. I stall out seemingly faster when trying to climb, and it seems harder to pull up from a dive compared to before.

I went from being able to fly the whole game with no deaths and taking down anywhere between 4 to 8 planes each match, to just having to prey on whoever dives as soon as they spawn to take them out, and then spend the rest of the game in an endless dog fight, even against heavy planes, that I just can no longer out turn.

Overall upgrades make my planes feel like they’re being plated in armor and turn my air frame into a square brick.
It could be that it’s just a new plane and feels too different for what I’m used to, but then those stats do decrease with upgrades too, which seems to correlate exactly with what I’m feeling.

Besides, I have plenty experience with the Fw190 from war thunder.
I deeply regret using gold to max out the pilot and the plane from the moment I unlocked it here, because I didn’t get to see what it flies like with no upgrades, I just assumed it would fly much better once fully upgraded anyways, but it just feels like a flying brick.