But that means it has a BR3 gun
minus no MG, minus no turret, minus open top…these things must mean at least something
1 Like
well i think that pz4 with long 75mm gun should go to BR4.
nah… nah… that is BR4 gun.
that is why i would leave TD to BR3 and move pz4 to BR4.
But what good is there to ban all high pentration cannons from low BR when you keep the KV 1 in BR 3?
German penetration is not equivalent than allied penetration
The 80mm pen of the BT7 76mm or the 90mm pen of the SU76 can kill any BR 3 tank they face with no problem.
The 100mm long 50mm the germans get sometimes struggles against tanks of its own tier and often in an uptier.
Allied tanks just have more armor which makes the better penetration of the axis not feature but a necessity to be able to compete.
Just looking at the penetration table and putting BR onto vehicles solely because of it is a flawed approach especialy when pure tank vs tank engagements are only a limited ocurrence in enlisted with infantry swarming you the same time.
2 Likes
I would agree if KV1 didn’t outperform Panzer IV
The devs vastly underestimate the value of armor and are stuck thinking in WT BR terms where tank vs tank performance is everything.
2 Likes
cause german tanks are glass canon.
i would add APCR for most tanks. that way they could penetrate other tanks more easily specially when uptiered. also with what tanks is 50mm struggling? cause last time i was driving puma i could kill shermans and KV1.
i would put KV1 in BR4 also while giving it APCR so it can pen panthers and tiger.
1 Like
Interesting- you are forgetting however that those rounds suck really bad and have no post pen damage - which should be fixed first.
Marders yes
StuG III no
i didnt forget that. they would be good against pz4 with their current shells and would need multiple shots for panther/tiger with APCR. btw it should be foldered so you only have 1 KV1 on BR4 and not both in mandatory grind.
now that you talk about it - the devs might JUST AS WELL throw the “reserve tank system” for being uptiered out the window, and give BR 2 players that get matched with BR3 access to APCR - every time there is a player with a higher BR than you, you automatically get APCR. How about that?
it would be worse solution cause APCR suck and usually need multiple shots to kill vs BR4 tank that would usually kill with one shot.
Shermans and T34 often any have only yellow penetration on hull due to rough angles with bad angle performance which often only end up with non pen anyway and if they do pen the post pen is still kinda bad.
A KV than has its hull angles even a bit is impossible to pen unless you shot its mantlet which will just eat most of the post pen anyway.
If sniping weakspots is paired with weak post pen dmg then you are severly limited in your option to deal with that tank.
Most of the sherman I am sitting infront is still red with only turret in some places beeing green which only allowes for turret damage to happen.
never said it was impossible to kill just that it struggles more than it should will 100mm.
While allied tanks rarely have this problem.
1 Like
How is beeing stuck with APCR worse than getting a panzer IV E to fight a KV that you cant even pen from the rear?
this message needs to be spammed 24/7, until all those unplayed bc unplayable tanks get their deserved spots 1 BR lower.
also ignore the low brows illogically trying to argue against this. they refuse to understand the whole package of a vehicle and only look at singular points ignoring everything else.
1 Like
cause BR1 APCR (which may or may not exist) will probably not have better pen than br2 higher caliber gun. also APCR has shit postpen damage. same with BR3 vs BR4.
1 Like
And beeing completely unable to penetrate has so much better post pen damage?
Properly aimed APCR can still kill ammo racks…
tell me which BR1 tank can penetrate BR3 tank with APCR(e.g. KV1 or sherman) and then tell me which BR2 tank can penetrate BR3 tank(KV1 and sherman).
then tell me which BR3 tank with APCR can pen BR5 tank(KT, is2, jumbo 76) and which BR4 tank can penetrate BR5 tank.
you will get loads of BR1/BR3 tanks that cant penetrate BR3 or BR5 tanks while still doing shit postpen damage.
1 Like
Every tank abouve the panzer 3 E acording to WT tests.
The short barrel panzer 4 could just get the HEAT instead.
As for the BR 5 tank it would probably still be more tanks than with the currently picked replacements made available by DF.
well WT Panzer IV heat has 100 pen and 80 pen, depending on which round you take - in Enlisted there is only the 80mm heat I think
The C version was changed to 115mm pen from the original 100mm pen.
1 Like