Reduce the Battle rating of Soviet and US tanks

the dicker max has the most effective HE shell in the german tech tree, fast reload and its placed at BR3 but the kv is at BR4 with such reload time ? it can’t do much with its reload time alone and being forced into berlin maps only. its just so ineffective

The Soviet tier 2 infantry support tank is the T28
i know he sucks
Even their excellent reload capabilities cannot make up for their lack of armor and mobility.
But the Soviets really don’t need more Tier 2 infantry support tanks

KV-1 (ZiS-5) became Level 4 for the same reason as the Big Mac
And his shells seem to be able to penetrate most tier 4 tanks(?)

I agree that KV2 should be at level 3
If I remember correctly
Its side and front armor values ​​seem to be the same as KV1?
Since the German Tier 2 is capable of dealing with the KV1, it won’t be a problem to deal with the KV2.

You have to take the tilt angle into account
The front of the Sherman is obviously tilted
This gives him nearly 100 equivalent armor

Although the KV1 has 75MM armor
But it’s too close to vertical
So most of the time the frontal equivalent armor is below 90

KV-1 armor can be angled.
Jumbo armor can’t.

Against BR 4 kwk 42s, the armor is meaningless, and both tanks are undergunned compared to their same-BR counterparts.

The KV-1 ZiS is also has uparmored hull armor, so it’s not 75mm, but 100mm, close to a Tiger 1’s.

I guess we ignore its paper armor and open top?

Did you know that BR 3-5 matches included Stalingrad maps?

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As the mainer of the USSR agrees to 2 br t-34 1940
It doesn’t open that fast, so you need enough time to open it and pump it up.
His armor is weak, the gun is not relevant and, to put it mildly, weak Against the background of the F-34
The most vulnerable place is the tower
This tower is killed by a GRB 39 assault pistol and other means that germashka has.

I remind you that the germaska have never had difficulty destroying Soviet armored vehicles.
On 1 br there is an Italian self-propelled gun that easily destroys kv 1 head-on, and this tank is 3 br if that
Short-willed Pz can also fight calmly (Т-34 1940)

The Soviets don’t have enough armored spit on the low rank) this is a good candidate

the tank will become alive and relevant)))

He can fight tigers and panthers, but he can’t fight the royal cat. SU 100 sometimes can not in here su 85)))

“ДУРъ-МАШИНА”

The funny machine is very happy with its presence in the game, every shot is a joy)
Just like with IS-2 1944 ))))

if the premium version deserves its own brand, then the KV-2 1939 is clearly overpriced.
He is much worse than his golden brother.
he has all the disadvantages to be eliminated from the game. as well as KV 1 ZIS-5 with the replacement of KV-85 by 4 br
Speed — armor — weapon is perfect)
3 br It would be the best solution for him.
yes, it will strengthen and significantly buff the 3 br USSR, but at the same time it will not really break it.
Germashka guns are also good at breaking a tank, I hope I don’t need to talk about airplanes?)
PAK-38 calmly kills this tank head-on, especially in the turret, as well as all guns above the KWK39)

did you know that Stalingrad is no different from Berlin?)))
Except that the STZ is a “garbage map” for infantry
But the Seelow heights are somehow open and make it possible to implement tanks on the flanks at least a little.
And damn it, Soviet tanks show results no worse than German ones)
But because of the massive debuffs on Soviet technology, it remains to rely on the courage and skills of the player)

emperor-palpatine-ironic
Thanks for doing (the basics) my job of countering you, pal.

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STZ is a map from the Stalingrad set)
As well as the Seelow Heights from the Berlin map set)
The city maps themselves are the same everywhere
Corridors of corridors )

And I don’t think we’re going to be friends :wink:

Shocker

Pretty sure, BR1 players will love that option.

Except against BR1 vehicles.

No, it only OHK pretty much all German and Italian tanks and can pen all of them at most ranges.

So is Tiger II but I don’t think it needs to be put in BR2 because of that.

Put Panzer IV J in BR2 because Bazookas and PTRS can kill it and also has weak turret.

And? So do Soviets.

Fair. All you need to kill a medium and heavy tank is a SPG that has no machine gun and no HE. That sounds fair.

T-26
BT-7
T-70
T-28
T-28E
T-50
T-60

Not enough? Sure…

According to the Soviet main. Best source.

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Not really, because Stalingrad has huge alleys and streets while Berlin only has such big alleys and parks with mud map/ Tiergarten which are often not included in battles. Also, SG has far more open houses than Berlin, where half of the buildings are “closed”. And since you already mentioned Seelow, the argument falls even flatter, because you can get up to two maps where you fight in the woods and not in urban areas, which is not the case with Stalingrad.

If that makes you feel good.

equipment that has adequate armor and guns)

so yes it’s not enough)))

Oh, so you’re a troll, it turns out)

В таком случае говорить с тобой бесполезно сынок)

does the square in front of the Reichstag and the Krol opera type not exist?)

And let’s also recall the Wilheimstrasse with that gut along which there are detours and it is quite possible to comfortably exist)
Но да Берлин же это другое) понимать надо :joy::joy:
То ли дело руины Сталинграда :raised_hand_with_fingers_splayed:

in order for this to happen, everything that is written in this topic must be implemented
Despite the cries of dissatisfaction)

Against a Panzer IV?
Even a T-26 can frontal pen a Panzer IV J so maybe its just you.

I guess now even your crappy translator stopped translating your mess.

Idk I didn’t know we always play for the theatre and the Reichstag. Also, the opera part is usually only “open” to the defender or attacker during the first/ last cp so wow… up to 20% is maybe open to defenders if the attackers even make it this far.

And even then, it would just show that the “urban” area of Berlin seems to be a lot more open than you claim thanks to your own counterclaims so I dont know what the gotcha is here as it makes the complaint entirely pointless because Berlin would have more than enough “open” areas for tankers.

Do you mean the street that is filled with wrecks, debris and flak cannons and is 10 meters wide and at best has a combat “length” of 150m? Wow, so open.

So guess back to drinking vodka for you, cumrade.

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I guess we ignore its paper armor and open top?

BR3 doesn’t lack any sort of anti-tank and anything can pen it at that tier, whats the problem ?

Did you know that BR 3-5 matches included Stalingrad maps?

still an urban mess with no difference, no real reason to take the KV2

BR3 fights BR2.

Нет просто могу позволить себе писать на своем языке) :stuck_out_tongue:

at the best of times, I burned 4 J on a T-60, you don’t have to tell me for the skill, Dude)
I have no problem destroying enemy equipment on almost any tank in any conditions. :wink:

I’ll quote you an excerpt from the song

Моторы пламенем объяты
И башню лижут языки.
Судьбы я вызов принимаю
Прямым пожатием руки.

it is enough for IS or other tanks to avoid a head-on collision with enemy tanks)

I take the game easier and I don’t really have
a problem with the situation. The only thing I want increase comfort on my favorite faction)

I can argue with you for a long time about how and what
Where is the best check-in, where the flank or the house allows you to remain unpunished
I don’t want to do that.
Have I expressed my opinion, which can still be expressed) or not?
I perfectly understand the state of things and the balance
And to be honest, he doesn’t suit me)
But as I mentioned above
Судьбы я вызов принимаю
Прямым пожатием руки ))))

I sincerely wish you good health familiar
I hope it’s not negative
everyone speaks simply)
Be happy)

So funny to speak non-English in the English sub so people cant understand you.

And yet still struggles to use the T-34 at BR3…

And I guess if the map is not “open”, IS2 will suddenly front-engage Tigers.

Not really based on our writing…

Faction bias.

And in the end, you still can’t use the T-34 M1940 against a Panzer IV.

You dont care about balance. You just want ez gameplay for Soviets.

BR3 fights BR2

so I went into training mode, testing the Pz J, it can pen upfront. tested the infantry AT, it can also pen upfront. both are BR2 and available early