Real tanks?

"I can’t believe this is a tank… the ease of it is becoming ridiculous, how can I reload this piece of junk in seconds, run, and shoot at the same time?

How can they blow up a heavy 68-ton TIGER II tank with a fucking demolition pack? Is it more potent than an APC projectile?
Uploading: Enlisted 2024-05-21 19-31-21 - Trim.mp4…
Just a reminder that it has over 100mm of side armor, including the wheels, skirt, tracks, and steel plate, before reaching its interior.
It’s high time GAIJIN conveyed a better reality for these tanks.

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Enlisted is a casual game with simplified mechanics.

Tanks explode in 1- 2 shots or do not explode at all.

It is done to mantain fast paced action game for players who prefer run & gun instead of camping and sniping.

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Panzerfaust was really this effective at close range, to protect their tanks from these devastating weapons, the red army used multiple tactics to prevent enemy infantry with panzerfaust to get close however in game there are no tank support infantry, platoon tactics or real time radio communication and due to the game’s CQC nature (especially in urban maps), panzerfaust is a nightmare for tankers whose only option is to seek the safety of greyzone.

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Huh

believe it or not, the tiger ii isn’t invincible, an explosive pack on the engine bay would knock one out easily. this game isn’t as hardcore as warthunder either so why are you expecting ww2 arma realism, buffing tanks will make greyzoners even worse

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Firstly, not GAJIN, but Darkflow.
The second thing is that you forgot that you are carrying 5 Panzerfaust launchers.
Thirdly, Tiger II is made of very poor quality steel and its side was 8 cm. Well, you can add the apron and support wheels and you will even exceed 12 cm in places.

What worries me is the fact that you shot this cumulative beam at this driver so many times.

But in a sense, in the game we are running and jumping ninjas with grenade launchers.

Why does a pack of TNT work better on tanks than a dedicated weapon?
All in all, it works a little better than in reality, well, much better, because it should only destroy the engine without the possibility of repair.
But hand grenades thrown onto the engine cover should also damage it.
Better yet, it should be possible to insert a grenade into the barrel of the head to destroy it.

I don’t know where you got the idea that 8 cm of side armor is little; many tanks have that on the front plate… and according to history, the largest investment of the German Nazi party in combat tanks was the KING TIGER. A demolition charge should be used only to incapacitate the engines and tracks of the tanks so that the infantry can destroy them, or at most, to blow up light reconnaissance tanks and transport vehicles. Another thing is the speed at which I reload the Panzerfaust. If you look at the T34 video I pinned above, you will notice that after I fire, the projectile simply disappears and reappears at the tip of the barrel. This is very unbalanced. According to my research, a German soldier would take on average 9 to 15 seconds to reload this handheld cannon alone.

Not to mention the landmines.
Apart from the fact that landmines were designed to disable the mobility of tanks, not to blow them up, which in ENLISTED is fatal.

*If some sentences or terms in the text don’t make sense, it’s because they were translated from Portuguese to English by Google.

Stalinium duh

panzerfaust is one shot disposable weapon. so you are not reloading, but actually taking another panzerfaust.

Show me a German document where the name king tiger or Königstiger was used. But back to the thread. Your Tiger B was so poorly welded and had such poor quality armor plates that it fell apart when hit by high-explosive shells. So you could easily stand with a company of tanks beyond the effective firing range and hit them. As for explosives, there are a lot of school materials from World War II for infantry that show where to place a grenade, I repeat, a grenade will put the vehicle out of combat. For greater effectiveness, bundles of grenades were used. And such a TNT charge as we use in the game would easily damage the engine if it were placed in the engine compartment (apart from the fact that then TNT charges were fired only from a cable or with a time detonator).

The s.H.Pz.Abt 503 noted in an after-action report during operations in Hungary, November 1944

From 19-23 October 1944, 120 anti-tank guns and 19 guns were destroyed. The extremely tough and steadfast enemy (penal battalions) was shaken to the core by the energetic assault and his communications to the rear thrown into total confusion by the destruction of various columns and a transport train which, in the final analysis, forced the Russian Sixth Army from the Debrecen area. The total distance of about 250 kilometers covered during the operation was accomplished essentially without mechanical failure. The Tiger II proved itself extremely well, both in its armor and from a mechanical perspective. Vehicles which received up to twenty hits without becoming disabled were not uncommon … In summary, the Tiger II has proven itself in every way and is a weapon that the enemy fears. When the formation is used as a single, unified entity and is employed in accordance with proper tactics, it always brings decisive success…

“These tanks were also helpless in muddy ground after heavy rainfall. It was not possible to develop and implement technical vehicles capable of, for example, evacuating a damaged 70-ton ship from the battlefield. In a word - the great Tiger had to fall victim to his own greatness. There is not entirely clear and reliable information about how and when the “Royal Tiger” underwent its baptism by fire. This most likely took place - according to many sources, including German ones - in the summer of 1944 during the operation in Normandy, where the 503rd Heavy Tank Battalion and the 101st SS Heavy Tank Battalion operated, armed with tanks of this type. They can be seen in numerous German newsreels. There are sources according to which, already in mid-July 1944, heavy Tigers took their first beating there, losing three vehicles. Shortly thereafter, in August, the Tiger B made its infamous debut on the Eastern Front. The first formation to be fully armed with this equipment, the 501st Heavy Tank Battalion, was sent to fight against the Red Army. It is one of the best German armored units, having fought, among others, in Tunisia and on the Eastern Front. It was withdrawn to Germany for rest, replenishment of losses and rearmament so that it could be used in the most critical place of the front.”

“And this one just appeared here, between Staszów and Oględów. On this sector of the front, the situation was extremely unfavorable for the Germans, but it also potentially contained the seeds of possible success. However, combat potential appropriate to the assumptions was needed. Since the Tiger B suffered frequent breakdowns, the shortage was supplemented with worn-out Panzerkampfwagen IV machines. It was believed that the tankers would be able to stop the attacking units of the Red Army, which were slowly starting to exhaust their potential after the offensive launched on the plains of central Ukraine. The Lviv-Sandomierz operation, launched on July 13, led to the efficient destruction of the German defense and the rapid shift of the front line westward. After Lviv and Brody, Lublin was captured on July 22, Przemyśl was captured on July 27, and on July 29, Soviet tanks reached the Vistula in the area of Baranów Sandomierski. On the march, they managed to gain a foothold on the western bank of the Vistula, and the help of the Poles was invaluable. They helped collect crossing resources and indicated the most convenient approaches to the river bed, remembered from the times of the operations of Russian troops during the previous world war. Years later, this was admitted and appreciated by Soviet commanders such as General Paweł Rybałko, commander of the 3rd Guards Tank Army. The fighting to deepen and widen the bridgehead was very fierce and, for the attacking forces, effective. Already on August 1, 1944, the Germans tried to counteract this with attacks from the Tarnobrzeg and Mielec area. Not only were they repulsed, losing, among other things, Stalowa Wola with the nearby airport and the looted and devastated Zakłady Południowe (which, however, quickly became a renovation base for the front), but also allowed the Red Army to reach Staszów, more than 20 km away from the western bank of the Vistula, on August 3.”

""This threatened the Germans with opening the road in the Krakow-Silesian direction for the Red Army and threatened large groups of the Red Army to flow into the lowlands of central Poland. They worked intensively for this, regardless of the fact that supply routes were dramatically stretched and the reserves weakened. This is evidence of the determination of the Russians that by August 5, when they took over Tarnobrzeg, 13 bridges had been built on the section of the Vistula between Tarnobrzeg and Baranów Sandomierski, through which the troops of the 1st Ukrainian Front were crossing. Intense fighting was also taking place a little further north, on the Warka-Magnuszewski bridgehead the loss of further strategic positions on the Vistula meant the collapse of the front. Therefore, it was decided to suppress the Baranów-Sandomierz bridgehead with a strong armored attack directed towards Staszów (a similar tactic was used on the Warecko-Magnuszew bridgehead, where a heavy battle was fought near Studzianki).

This is why new, rested units were brought here, including the 501st Heavy Tank Battalion armed with Tiger Bs. The fighting mood of the German tank crews was not dampened by the fact that as many as 15 new powerful machines broke down while… being loaded onto railway platforms in Germany. When the Tiger Bs, having left the lorry at the Kielce station, moved on their own tracks towards the headquarters of the 16th Armored Division, from where they were to reach the site of the planned battle, it became even sadder. Another 10 tanks were disabled, the rest moved forward slowly, preceded by sappers checking and strengthening subsequent bridges along the battalion’s march route. Despite this, the fighting spirit did not die down, and in a night skirmish the group attacked Soviet infantrymen. Their light anti-tank guns turned out to be completely ineffective against the powerful armor of the German colossi."

I can give you a whole book about Garfield the cat, because that’s how you could call a fat cat like Tiger B who got a beating. 250km without a failure - only those from the headquarters wrote that, all the crews’ reports from the battles describe how tragic the tank was.

The crews were gushing about how tragic this tank was, division commanders sent these reports to the army command, the army command sent these reports to the factories, and the engineers from the factories replied that the tankers did not know how to operate their equipment properly. It’s the same as with today’s armored weapons, “the warranty does not cover driving on sand.”

Im slightly short sighted but can you please highlight for me in where in that wall of text the tiger B armor is described as shit as you say ?

For this exact claim id love to get some clarification, since the 88’s were arguably the best tank guns in ww2.
So what exact tank company just sat at outside of 88’s range and shat the tiger2’s with theyr HE ?

Really.
Here are the conclusions from the Soviet tests.
But rather, the fact that they had poor practical effects indicates the weakness of the armor.

  • the quality of the armor of the Tiger Ausf.B tank was clearly lower than that of the Tiger Ausf.H and Panther tanks from the beginning of their production; after being hit by 3-4 bullets, despite the lack of penetration, visible chips and cracks appeared in the armor, also from the inside;

  • the welds connecting the individual hull and turret armor plates turned out to be surprisingly weak;

  • when 3-4 projectiles fired from a distance of 500-1000 m, either armor-piercing or high-explosive, of 152 mm, 122 mm or 100 mm caliber hit the frontal armor plates of the hull, cracks, chips and loose welds appeared, leading to damage in the drive system , and thus to the irreversible loss of the tank in battle;

  • hits by anti-tank shells of the BS-3 (100 mm) and A-19 (122 mm) guns fired from a distance of 500-600 m led to the penetration of the front hull armor plates, both when hitting their surface and at the junction;

  • penetration of the frontal armor of the tower with anti-tank shells of the same guns was achieved from a distance of 1000-1500 m;

  • it was not found that 85 mm anti-tank shells of the D-5 and S-53 guns fired from a distance of 300 m penetrated the frontal armor of the hull and caused any damage inside the tank;

  • the quality of the side armor of the hull and turret turned out to be much lower than the frontal armor, the side armor was assessed as the most sensitive to fire

  • it was found that anti-tank bullets of caliber g 85 mm of guns of domestic design, as well as caliber | 76 mm American guns, penetrate the side armor of the Tiger II tank from a distance of 800-2000 m;

  • it was noted that American 76 mm anti-tank bullets were effective at a distance F 1.5-2 times greater than Soviet 85 mm caliber bullets;

  • while the 76 mm anti-tank shells of the indigenously designed guns (ZiS-3 and F-34) were not able to penetrate the side armor of the tank at all, both the hull and the turret. In the part summarizing the laboratory tests, it was found that the percentage of molybdenum in the alloy used to make the armor of the Tiger and Panther tanks gradually decreased over time, and in the Tiger heavy tank it was completely absent. Vanadium was used instead. The reason for this was seen in the decrease in German molybdenum reserves and the loss of sources of its acquisition. A characteristic feature of the Tiger II armor is the lower compactness of the structure of the armor plates, caused by the use of lower quality alloy steel.

“The Russians, like the Americans, carefully tested all captured Tiger B tanks, analyzing - already in September 1944, on units captured near Staszów - most of their design solutions. Like the Western Allies, they recognized that the main drawback of the tank was too much weight, causing low maneuverability and susceptibility to damage, design defects in the drive system, overloaded engine, and complicated servicing. Interestingly, they carefully examined the armor of the vehicle, concluding that its quality had significantly deteriorated compared to the earlier generation tanks, Panther and Tiger, from the initial years of their production. It was believed that this was related to a significant change in the composition of the steel used to produce the armor. This was the result of the previously mentioned deficits of strategic raw materials, and partly the impact of sabotage in the armaments plants of the Third Reich operating in the occupied territories (e.g. Hermann Goering Werke in Stalowa Wola, where the resistance movement effectively sabotaged, among others, the production of armor steel, leading to significant reduction of its parameters).”

“The results of the debut of the “tracked Wunderwaffe” on the Vistula plains near Staszów were more than telling: the Germans not only lost the initiative and failed in the local counteroffensive intended to push the Russians beyond the Vistula line, they also lost 14 Tiger B heavy tanks, not counting other machines. Russian losses are unknown. What is important is that in a tactical sense, it was not the Germans but the Russians who turned out to be the winners. The thud that the powerful German wonders of armor received near Staszów did not change the generals’ approach to this weapon. Tiger B appeared again in large numbers during the last major offensive operation of the Third Reich in World War II, i.e. during the Ardennes Offensive in December 1944, where it showed no, but no, advantages over its rivals. Neither the terrain, nor the season, nor the tactics of use, nor the morale of the Germans offered any encouraging prospects for this operation. A significant part of the Tiger B aircraft used in the operation was abandoned by the crews when… they ran out of fuel. Powerful tanks, stuck on narrow paths among the bushes, were effectively eliminated by infantry with light anti-tank grenade launchers. The Americans, who were testing captured Tiger II units in the USA on behalf of the Department of Defense, were unable to understand what motivated the creators of these colossi”.

I recommend a report from the 2nd tank company of the 1st SS Panzer Division under the command of Joachim Peiper in the Ardennes. Tanks numbered 213 and 221 and their clash with the shermans. He describes in detail how terrible the armor on the forehead of Tiger B was. I can’t find it on the Internet, but if you are persistent, you can get a copy of the report from historical institutions. And I will tell you that the reports of the crews, and the reports of the staffs and commands of OKH and OKW, are as if one of the sides had schizophrenia and wrote something completely different from what the soldiers from the front reported to them. Reading this, you discover why the Germans believed in victory when they were receiving a huge beating on every front.

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pinnacle of reliability

i use soviet studies to level the gravity which level the spirit levelers

what a shitty tank t34 had wood stove for that case

clearly shit tank
thank stalin i drive a lada every day instead of mercedez bentz

Your first argument kinda leads one to believe 1 HE shell was sufficient to destroy the KT2.

Then you offer a “test” by sovjets where it actually took 3-4 direct hits from artillery gun ?
The shell weights 45-50kg ?

Quite impressive id say, and got to say I like the soviet way of testing things, first shoot with the big gun untill something breaks → proceed to smaller guns → Our guns are succes because even our tokarev pistol was capable to penetrate tiger 2 thru that cabing hole left by artillery gun.

But anyway, while KT2 is clearly shit. Can you please name a single soviet / Murrican tank that could withstand a direct hit of artillery gun ?

Quite sure even modern MBT’s cant take a direct hit of modern artillery gun, which shell weights about the same.

I see this topic most likely will be closed

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I agree on that explosion packs are ridiculous in their curent form. 0.5kg of TNT just placed on a tank (or worse, near it) shouldn’t kill it.
But other than that I’m not really sure what is the issue. Yes, you can cycle through panzerfausts very quickly but that’s made to match the overall speed of the game.

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