And let me just paste this so we both know how the argument would loop:
→ Lol l2p n0b just count3r tanks I have no issues
→ Well there are some minor disadvantages
→ Uh oh I’m fine with full scale disadvantage I take it as a challenge
→ why not just stack with friends???
This thread is about Average Joe IQ60 Experience and Why Does He Not Play Moscow.
That’s the mesh.
PPD Level 11
Kiraly Level 35
Is this the balance we are talking about?
I dont know how it will help inf which gets killed by T-34s and T-50s but at least they can be sure that the Soviet inf gets greyzone-camped. Unless the T-34 realizes his advantage and OHKs the Panzer IV.
Unlike Moscow, the KV isnt RNGed and most German tanks can pen it frontally.
Shhhhh ppd is lv0
welp, everyone has their perspective and strengths and weaknesses. Mine happens to be making shots count.
I never had a problem handling SMGS and LMGS with a rifle regardless of campaign. Base kit has an answer pretty much anything I can think of and as you level you get more specialized choices.
to each his own
Just to let you know that in Moscow BA hits are not guaranteed 1HK even when fully upgraded. You have five bullets. He has five PPSh.
If I could name my weapons I would make my BA name Her Majesty as she seems to make all men kneel.
He has 71 bullets in a clip. You, my friend, are already in Elysium.
inb4 → i CoRnEr sh0t and pr3fire with BA like my AWP lmao git gut 5 bulits run away chang3 b0t np lmao
Also:
If K98 is the perfect counter to PPSh, what Mosin Nagant is?
Except you only get a 39m on level 35.
Otherwise you only get reskins of the same gun/ vehicle/ plane.
I wouldnt call this “choices”.
Schnarch ehm what?
Except that some factions/ campaigns have it easier than others and if people say they have same effeciency rate in Moscow then they are lying otherwise I wanna see the pleb who manages to use the 20 round Beretta like its “counterpart” PPSh (and all that on a similiar level of effeciency).
As balancing the campaign seems to be completely out of the question, I hereby propose that Moscow Allies is declared: “I’m too young to die” with a flashy pink “Tutorial” text and Moscow Axis as “Ultra-Violence” with a CHAD-pin.
what’s your point. I’m not having issues, “you are”. All of those things you said are issues you haven’t over come and backup your opinion. If its too much for you and you think the grass is greener, go play Russian. Or suck it up
I could respond to each point but the answer wouldn’t satisfy you., because it doesnt affirm your position. But for funsies I can back up my opinion too.
(also good news, when stalingrad damage model becomes universal, this will be even better!)
shoot first, shoot accurately (applies to all weapons)
headshots always 1 shot (rifles)
once they down you don’t have to shoot them again (target priority), kill standing models first, finish off later
71 bullets don’t matter if someone makes their 1-3 shots count first (holds true all weapons)
you cycle and shoot the bolt faster than someone can swap and shrug off the disorientation from jumping perspective. If a rifle can do it, everything else can.
close quarters dont forget your grenades and bayonet. (rifles)
Read that as get good if you like, but if you cant accept there’s things that you can do or need to practice, you will always be middling. And as the saying goes, The graveyard is full of middling swordsmen, best not to be a swordsman at all than a middling swordsman,
Reskins? Not all (some yes but that’s on both sides), you get different reload and cycle rates, control, rates of fire, ammo capacity, different iron sights. In some cases very minor, in others Hugely relevant to your play style and preference. Iron sights alone can make or break a weapon. (My mates cant hit the broadside of a barn with open sights, but give them Aperture sights and they rarely miss)
What do you mean by efficiency?
ease of use?
skill ceiling?
Amount of kills?
Ammunition to kill ratio?
Can be argued that the PPD (although bloody easy to use, low skill ceiling) has the WORST efficiency. Especially the 25 Round mag one. 9 out of 10 people will mag dump that so fast and get 1 kill for it. Effective bullet ratio on all PPDS is god awful, and why I never bought any for Germany even in Stalingrad. Dont get me wrong its super fun and effective, but there are better choices for the job I need it to do.
there is a point where Rate of fire is overkill and situational. (mgs/room spraying)
Rifles and battle rifles from that stand point are the most efficient
I’ve seen you in the odd game, you are capable. really shouldn’t bother you this much.
You know as well as I do that it doesnt matter how good something is, Half the team wont break 20 kills (even equipped with stuff like PPDS), and games will get completely determined by the top 3 who always break 100-200 and get more kills/caps/objectives than the team combined (regardless of what weapon those top 3 use, they will use everything as the situation dictates)
Seems like the main problem is that no one actually plays as the Axis in Moscow. Like any time I decide to waltz over to that campaign, regardless of the time of day/night I play, the Axis side is always a barren wasteland. Just lots of AI. I guess all the Axis players that used to play that campaign moved over to Tunisis or Normandy, maybe even Stalingrad or Berlin.
Like you can say one side has better unlocks over the other side but at the end of the day good players can use any equipment and hold their own in a match, even against superior gear. The MP40 can absolutely shred drum mag Soviets if it’s in the right hands…its just…not enough people are there in Moscow to take on the Soviets.
most likely. the main problem with so many split campaigns.
In game no mosin nagant.
And in the world there is no such weapon “Mosin nagant”
Dear Comrade Snark,
What would be your best honest guess?
What’s the point? Do you have amnesia or brain damage?
This thread is about Average Joe IQ60 Experience and Why Does He Not Play Moscow.
That’s the mesh.
Average Joe doesn’t play Moscow Axis because Allies have better gear and thus way easier time.
I’ve proven this point (Allies have better gear) time after time, and you have zero counter arguments. Go back up if and ask if you have any questions, or if you didn’t understand some parts.
I have no problems, but I’m not your average joe player. Let me tell- this is fucking pointless but let my try to explain this with moron 2 moron;
71 bullits kil 8 nazi no reload gud da? Spare bulits left. Kil gut 5 seconds, 3-4 bulits per bpy. U kil squd and have extra over da da tovarishhp. Ppssh gut, tel forum ppsh bad, pravda propaganda da gut very sneaky mjuh mjoh hoh noh
Nazi has 5 bulit BA, he kil 5 ivan and pjotr stab 2 hed at max, it take 7-9 second + weponchange njet njet gut
Also Bolt Action Rifles counter each other and are considered as equals. (Mosin has bigger damage by default 15 than starting stock K98) You have Bolt Action Rifle, I have Bolt Action Rifle.
Me flamethrower, you flamethrower.
You grenade, me grenade.
You T-34, me x? (Grb?)
You have PPD, me Kiraly? MP40?
You have PPSh, me x? MG34?
Let it sink in. Take your time. Write it on paper and think about it.
If two equally good players face each other, and the other has superior gear - thus an advantage - what’s the outcome?
Youre repeating yourself, I’ve already answered
The two best players comes down to fastest and most accurate, not gear. Rifle is top dog in best players hand. 1 shot and you are out.
Smgs give you no advantage to first shot out
Because it’s Squads we’re talking about, two players facing PPSh is always superior due BA not having the ROF or clip-size to kill the other squad.
The other player has 1 shot to land a HS for guaranteed kill, the other has ++71 bullets++. Even Kiraly beats BA’s in CQB.
Let’s not even take to consider peakers advantage or prefire, that argument is just folly in it’s core.
ahhhh you want to make it about squads ok. ok ill bite
4 is the maximum smgs you can have in a squad, unless premium squad (hhhmmmmmm…5 shots in a rifle. enough for the MG specialist attached to squad.)
you can have up to 9 riflemen. (you better hope you bush wacked the entire squad and that they dont have battle rifles or even worse…full noob tube squad…you can say goodbye to your close quarters indoor advantage)
rifle men can down you at any range with 1 shot (doesnt need a head shot to put you on the ground), smgs only in their prime at close to medium.
Bots are more likely to Yeet you with 1 lucky large calibre round than an smg.
anything to do with peaking and prefiring comes under positioning advantage, not weapon.
so basically rifle wins EVERYTIME if first shot lands, if it doesnt the SMG most likely does depending on range. thats not even 50/50 when you take engagement range into account (of which it doesnt matter for a rifle but does for smg)
For a while I was actually thinking of pointing out the flaws in your argument.
The Panzer IVs are the same. The extra armor on the F1 is useless, same goes for the IIIs (let alone the J is a overused tank). Bf are the same and PzB39 is a PzB38.
The unique stuff is 39m and a 20 rounds Beretta and Granatbüchse.
Wow.
Way better rof, almost similiar dispersion and recoil, similiar dmg, bigger magazine for the same costs of the MP40 or even less costs if you consider the 39m.
The PPD cant be worse than the MP40, heck even the 39m. Its against basic laws of math. Regardless of “muh skill”.
But yeah. Drums suck because a bunch of noobs spray and pray with them. Best excuse ever lol (which would make the MP still worse but “muh skill”).
Its called bot squad.
Anyway then I dont get it why the low brainers pick the Soviets and not the Germans/ leave the Germans then if they are all the same/ similiar. But even you dont believe your crap otherwise you wouldnt keep admitting that the Soviet gear is better.