greetings, today i would like to acquire some informations from who more than me, knoes moscow history.
precisely, i would like to know more about maps are present in the game, and what connection some of those have with the real life fought battles.
now, those informations i need them, because i’m working on a indepth guide regarding moscow. and after some time, i decided to open my own youtube channel. i would like to make it with a couple of friends. and make the whole guide serie somewhat cinematic, mainly informative about how to attack each locations and defend them.
( sort of RO2 cutscenes ).
but, i don’t know much about moscow it self, and i can’t find many resourches.
cheers.
( you won’t regreat it ).
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Well, the monastery map is most probably based on Iosifo-Volotsky Monastery:
Which was converted to an orphanage after the Soviets came to power. The orphanage itself was evacuated before the German advance.
It was being defended by the Soviet 16th army under the command of Konstantin Rokossovsky.
By the end of October, 1941 it was occupied by the German forces.
On December 18th, 1941 was liberated by the soldiers of USSR’s 1st Shock Army.
The “White Lake” map takes place somewhere around here
I couldn’t really find the exact location, though, it could be either Beloozersky town or Yurasovo village.
If anyone wants to investigate and find similarities, I suggest taking a look at the following cities/towns/villages:
- Orel
- Bryansk
- Vyazma
- Mozhaysk
- Kalinin
- Kaluga
- Maloyaroslavets
- Naro-Fominsk
- Volokalamsk
- Tula
- Klin
- Solnechnogorsk
- Krasnaya Polyana (You can actually see Moscow from there)
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The manor map is an actual place too - you can find it on google earth - I forget hte name - looking through the archives now… Chernyshevs’ estate in the village of Yaropolets - if you look for Taroplets village the estate just jsut a few meters north-west of the marker -
See also
flikr - Chernyshev Manor in Yaropolets Village | The manor house was… | Flickr
Yaropolets - Wikipedia - note that it is in the Vololamsky District - which was a map in War Thunder until a year or so ago…
https://rusmania.com/central/moscow-region/volokolamsk/sights/yaropolets/chernyshev-estate
And
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Found these maps of the Chernyshevs Estate:
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thank you both ( @115683100 @24811726 ), this is very usefull. i’m trying to make a sequential order of battle as well, to make it more in depth. i’ll explain also why, but i don’t wanna spoil too much.
Birch Grove is here, in 1941 it was considered the outskirts of Voronezh.
The battle itself took place sometime in the mid summer (July 5th?), 1942.
Soviet Forces:
- 498th and 605th rifle regiments of the 232nd rifle division
- 41st and 287th NKVD regiments
- 3rd air defence division
- Local resistance
Wehrmacht Forces (at the beginning, couldn’t find info on reinforcements, so these are basically only the forces that took part in the initial stages of the assault):
- 2 infantry companies
- 15 tanks
- 2 artillery batteries
How detailed do you need it?
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Looks like the monastery map is indeed Iosifo-Volotsky Monastery, because right north to it is the Vysokovo village.
I couldn’t find any info of any important operations taking place in it, so it was probably included solely because it’s right next to the monastery, and there would be heavy fighting in and around it, just no specific operation.
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Pokrovskoe. All I could find is their official chronicle (in Russian), which states the following:
Pokrovskoe was occupied by Wehrmacht forces on October 16th, 1941, and was only liberated by August 30st, 1943. It became widely known as a resistance center and a home to a few partisan groups, namely “Courageous-1” (commander - N.P. Rybalchenko) and “Courageous-2” (commander - A.V. Guda).
I mean, there’s other stuff in there, but it’s mostly grand and patriotic with very little factual information.
Soviet propaganda be like with captain fordo
Leave your own political propaganda at home 
I be interested to see this done. Let me know if I can assist in anyway possible.
Just a random fact about the Monastery map:
The bell-tower you can see on the photo was ordered to be destroyed by the Soviet command, because it offered a direct view on Moscow.
Here is what the Russian Wikipedia says:
Lieutenant Koryakov, who was educated by his mother in Orthodox Christian traditions had to carry out this order to prevent the bell-tower being used by German snipers and spotters. The events of that autumn 1941, and his personal moral feelings he later described in his “Frontline Diaries”.
So the map we see in Enlisted probably is probably depicting December 18th, 1941, when the bell-tower was already destroyed.
A more precise “White Lake” map location.
I will edit this post as I find more information, but here is something [Edit: nvm, this is about a different village that bears the same name - Yurasovo]:
This is from interrogation record dated December 14th, 1945.
Accused: Karl-Theodor Stein, Obergefreiter of 529th rifle regiment with the 2nd infantry division.
He mentions Yurasovo village, located right by the White Lake. The wording is a little weird, but here is goes:
Fulfilling the orders of the high command, soldiers and officers were to destroy every community that they were the last ones to retreat through. Accordingly, the village of Mikhailovka located 20km to the South-West of the city of Orel and many other villages were destroyed. Near the village of Velyaminovo we have burnt to the ground the village of Yurasovo and almost every village around it too. I personally set 15 houses alight in this district. As we were retreating, the Village of Hiryatino was completely engulfed in flames.
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There are huge numbers of “White Lake”'s in Russia … but that looks like a pretty good match 
Although it is nowhere near Orel as mentioned in the interrogation??!!
There is a Yurasovo that is actually south-west of Orel - although it is an empty site - looks like something used to be there -
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Yeah, this is exactly what I am looking at right now - it also mentions it was near Velyaminovo village, which is quite a ways Westerly, so it looks like it’s a different “Yurasovo” village.
You have to be a little careful - Russia is no different from other countries - except for being much bigger - lots of places share the same name!
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True, I’m still looking for the “Maisky forestry” and “Avangard Collective Farm”, but there are so many of those it’s almost impossible to pin down.
I suspect the sources for them are Russian war diaries not readily available on the 'net or in the West - accounts of local notable actions and the like.
This may be of use - although published in 1953 and so only German sources were available - and it’s as racist as fuck!! https://history.army.mil/html/books/104/104-22-1/CMH_Pub_104-22-1.pdf
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Hey, this is interesting, will definitely be reading this tonight, thanks! They begin by examining the Russian soldier psyche, which I always thought came much, much later - the whole idea of examining the psychology and what makes certain people “tick” a little differently, this is some advanced stuff.
As for the maps, I have found a similar system of merging rivers. And another one. Not exactly the same, but very similar and in somewhat right location:
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