M1a1------m1928a1-----m1------m21/28----
600--------700-------------800------700-------
6.8_---------_--------------
30 rounds-----------
40/15--------36/15-----37-------43/11
Stop ignoring me
Put all 30 round Thompsons at br3
The 1928a1 is almost identical to the 21/28 in fact the 28a1 is better in dispersion
The m1 only has a base 100 more rpm no where good enough to jump it to a higher br
If the m1a1 is over powerd it is only by the same degree the m1 and 21/28 are underpowered
if going from 700 to 700 or 700 to 800
is enough to go from b3 to br4
then going from 700 to 600 is enough to go down from br3 to br2
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they should refund the gold people used to buy the 20 round Thompsons and add it to the TT at br 2 and move the 30 round version back to br3
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Just give the M1A1 a 20 round mag, that would make it completely reasonable.
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Surely Tompsons with 30 rounds got tobe at br 3
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they should refund the gold people used to buy the 20 round Thompsons and add it to the TT at br 2 and move the 30 round version back to br3-
yes all 30 round thompsons should be at br3 not br 2 3 4
read it all
br4 800 rounds per minute
br3 700 rpm
br2 600 rpm
if 600 rpm is not fair at br2
800 rpm is not fair at br4
either every 30 round thompson belongs where it is
or every 30 round thompson belongs at br3
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M21/28 Thompson is the most accurate Thompson, if you put it at BR3 then Germany need to get Mkb42 or Kiraly at BR3 otherwise there will absolutely zero reason to play as Germany as they already are too weak with garbage smgs, the worst semis in the game, mediocre MG (compared to amazing BAR) and mediocre tanks/planes.
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They could have just added a 1928A1 Thompson with 20 round mag for BR 2.
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The most accurate Thompson not the most accurate smg, the kiraly is better then the Thompson same rate of fire, damage and 40 instead of 30 rounds. Also my bad but do you want lower or higher numbers in dispersion, cause if lower 21/28 has the highest numbers of any Thompson.
I have no problem with a 20 round Thompson in the BR2. But it needs to be a decent, accurate version. The M1A1 has terrible accuracy, its sign is awful. The 20 round magazine makes it very inefficient.
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Kiraly is completely inferior to M21/28 thompson in form of dmg, recoil, dispersion and those stats are most important. 10 more rounds for inaccurate gun is not much, 60 more rof is nothing. Only velocity is a real stat that matters but since it’s a BR4 gun it will go vs op guns of BR5 that have actual great velocity so 445 is not that great.
What are you talking about, who said about nerfing anything? I just want Germany to get something good at BR3 (2 and 5 too) they got completely neglected and left to rot once you bring those smgs to lower BRs there will be zero reason to keep playing and you will have to play vs bots/newbies and win constantly, do you think it’s fun in a long run? M21/28 has the best accuracy (due recoil and dispersion) of all Thompsons
.3 going from 7.9 to 8.2 is a difference without meaning, and what is the game stats for dispersion cause I don’t trust yours the kiraly is just better then the tmopson.
those are datamined stats so if you don’t trust me why won’t you check it on your own instead of spreading misinformation?
Straight up wrong objectively speaking Thompson is superior
I go by the game stats and anyone that calls a 4 percent damage bump meaningfully more damage is not trustworthy, full health perk build can a Thompson down an enemy in less hits the the kiral yes or no, if yes the damage increase matters if no it does not
I get it it hurts to fight the straight up busted so soviets
But soviets number 1
Germany number 2
Us number 3
Japan number 4
Sorry but if Germany is suffering against us it’s bad players
And all 50 round drum Thompsons go to BR 4.
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I recall how the Thompson can fire semi auto or full auto, or at least that’s what the star card said in game. Yep you dataminning could be correct only for semi auto vs full auto. Also stats would be for base guns no perks and uncontrolled fire. In some ways useless but it’s all we have to go by so no the kiraly is better.
M1A1 thompson is good in BR 2 don’t need move to BR3 again.
If we were going to do this, then the Soviets would only really be able to use the PPS-42 at level two and the PPS-43 and Uragan would both be moved to level three. Not to mention that the level one maxed out Soviet PPD-34 shoots 920 RPM, so realistically, it should also be level three which would mean the Soviets have ZERO level one smg’s.
So, myself personally would not have a problem capping rate of fire and magazine sizes, however the magazine size should be historically accurate to the weapon. Example, the MP40 should have the 32 round magazine, and if the vast majority of Thompsons came with a 30 round mag, then that should be what it would possess for level two. I would also cap ROF top speed in level two to 700, and any weapon above that moves to level three. So, all level two Thompsons would have a ROF of 700 or lower, as well as every other level two SMG. I wouldn’t complain ff level two Thompsons shot 600 to 650 as I don’t think the difference between 650 and 700 would make a huge difference.
If we were going for true balance and not historical accuracy (which clearly DF never intended) then each BR level should have it’s limits as to ROF and magazine size. Clearly, if 600 to 700 is BR2 range, then your Soviet PPD-34 with 920 at level one with a 25 round magazine is way to much smg at level one. The PPS 43 and Uragan would go up to level three, and the FNAB if left as is would go down to level one.
In all honesty, level one should have never had an SMG that shot over 600 or 650 RPM, so DF screwed the pooch at the very bottom and just kept screwing it all the way up the ladder. IMOP anyway for what it’s worth.
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Again stop clipping my post so short
A Thompson at 600 rpm at br2 is unfair
But a Thompson at 700 rpm is fair at br3 and 4
Who is being crazy now
Even going from 700 to 800 should not be enough to move a Thompson to br4Text
Second you have damage and size of magazine
41 43 are fine where they are with there low 5.6 damage though the 35 rounds does skirt br3
Base stats which for the ppd34 is 800
Unless you go to the insan low levels of the mkb35 at 400 or the highs of mg15 or 18 at 1200 or 1600 RP. Should not be the determining factor
That’s my point if increasing the rate of fire from 700 to 700 or 800 is enough to move a Thompson from br3 to br4 without a any other meaningful change then decreasing a Thompson from 700 to 600!should be enough to move it from br3 to br2 without any meaningful change stop presenting half my argument you hack
As for historical argument I am fine with it I love it just keep historical Thompsons in br3 where they belong not br 2 4 or with 30 rounds br5
Most players are killed because they never saw the enemy, explosion, the enemy shot first, the enemy was more accurate
Or many time they where reloading, meaning bigger magazine means all things being equal bigger gun
Unless the reload compensate for the larger size magazine.
The Thompson’s are nearly identical in base stats
Damage and magazine size until br5, dispersion is negotiable different sometimes worse at higher br. The only real difference is rof which is even more negotiable moving from a low of 600 to a high of 800.
That’s my point if the br4 Thompson’s had 40 rounds that would be fine or some quick swap 30 round mags with low switch time like a jungle mag that would be one thing. Quick to swap between the two mage but longer to add two new mags. But my point is if the Thompson at 700 and 800 rpm is balanced for br4 at 700 and 600 it’s balanced for br3 and 2. Thus the title either move all 30 round Thompsons to br3 or leave them all where thy are at br 2 3 4
Again read my entire post or the title at least before teplying
