You have forgotten a reason why some people desert and these are the rounds where you really notice that the opponent is cheating. The best examples are those with esp or who can shoot through everything as well as players who are worse than guerrilla with standard units and tank hunters as well as heavier ones Tank defenses are lying around in the spawn or are about 50 to 80m away 
No, you do owe OTHER people some basic decency
If you canât handle that, there are single player games
Should I drop barbed wire on every friendly rally point I see and then say âbruh why mad itâs just fun, I donât owe you anythingâ
same can be said about the enemy team who play like fucking animals. how about friendly teams that fuck off to who knows where, shouldnât they have decency to at least play the objective?
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Yeah, I keep arguing in favour of making sure they have some more explicit incentives to actually play the game (as most of them donât seem to realise they are complaining about âomg grindy gameâ when they basically do nothing useful and earn barely any XP all game)
Yet itâs the âmost experiencedâ players I often see leave at a drop of a hat, first whiff of a difficult game and they are OUTâŚand then we often win the damn match even though people with best gear left
then you and i are at a difference since you are arguing out of ideals while i am doing it in realism
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Whoâs more grounded in reality? We are in a thread about adding some consequences to peopleâs selfish actions and Iâm not the one pulling out every tired excuse and on top saying âoh those poor baby egregious leavers, they are basically victims!â
No one wants people who leave once in a blue moon to get punished.
Sure, give some carrots for people too, keep improving the matchmaker, add features adressing real pain points.
But for the love of god, devmans have stats, or can add tracking to see how badly people leave matches. Hell, even desertion rate included in player profile stats would be a cool thing.
Punish people who are clear outliers
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Agreed. If a game isnât fun, I desert. Fun means not playing against tryhards and my team doesnât suck, and sometimes not playing shitty maps⌠I quit a LOT of games within the first 5 seconds because of the map and from evaluating the other team. Iâd say i drop almost every âxp boostâ game I play because of the boost curse, haha.
- If I see a lopsided stacked opposing team (lots of name decorations), Iâm out. 99% of the time (IME) name decoration means pay-to-play and tryhard. Itâs not fun for me to sweat anymore.
- If all of my team is controller jockeys and the other team is not, Iâm out.
- If Iâm 2 mins into a match and I see I have more kills than the combined team and we arenât playing OBJs, Iâm out.
Examples:
After a few minutes, I could see my team sucked.
Left immediately seeing the other team, and I hate Pacific maps. X2
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it is equally as selfish, though you can probably argue more so, to force people to stay because of YOUR ideals above all especially. but how is my statement grounded in reality well itâs a recognition that the enemy team is going to play like rats, itâs a recognition that my team is going to do the teutonic horseshoe both of which isnât good for enjoyment or healthâŚafter all if i want to actually be miserable and stressed i would willing go to my job when i am not scheduled
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Nah Iâm not playing blatantly one sided matches
There is nothing on this earth that will make me do that against my will
And youâre an actual dog if you think you should be forced to be farmed for twenty minutes
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You are literally the problem this post talks about, going off the first screenshot, congratulations.
You got the mildest of pushbacks on a map and gamemode where you often ping pong between points several times. And the fact that your team already had 3 leavers probably meant youve had people spawn too far back to contest on time (since late joiners spawn on regular spawns not the front ones)
Good job. 6 other people had an awful experience thanks to you and 3 of the other ones. Youâre actively making the game worse
And what do you think will happen to the game when everyone decides any sign of life from the enemy team is âvalid causeâ for leaving? Where you are wrong is that Iâm not forcing anyone to stay. If you cannot show basic courtesy to 9 other humans on your team (and at least to me, it also sucks when enemy team ragequits from a roughly even match) then you should be disincentivised from staying and making life worse for everyone else. I actually want the MINORITY of egregious leavers GONE, permamently if needs be.
If you are so desperate to shoot fish in the barrel, go spin up a custom game with bots only. In PvP both sides should probably win roughly 50% of the time
match hasnât even started yet
âşHe doesnât know to look at the names and connect the dots
lol
Also your response to ricky is fucking unhinged and incredibly selfish
Thatâs tantamount to enslaving people to fulfill your match because ??? exactly? Its a fucking casual shooter
Either carry or move to the next match
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I did look at the names and the game looks perfectly playable to me
Literally no one is forcing you to click this button:
And without people in matches, there is no casual shooter for anyone. And leavers are a self-reinforcing problem
i am not against punishment if they actually fix majority of problems that cause desertion. problem is that i dont have confidence in devs to actually fix those problems before introducing punishment.
currently biggest problems are:
- no map/mode/side selection forcing you to play e.g conquest or defenders 10 times in a row
- stacks vs solo queue
- no SBMM (which is impossible to implement without totally changing MM system)
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Okay so I shouldnât play because I value my mental health and time?
You do know they just shuffle into the next match right? Theyâre still playing the game.
Anti-deserter posters are the most delusional people my god
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HMMMMMMMMMMMMM, HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM âi donât want to force anyone to stay, i just want them to be punished for leaving which forces them to stayâ
if they canât have the decency to show the fuck up to the god damn point then why shouldnât i leave? iâve done carried more than enough mouth breathers then i realistically should, hell during the summer of 2021 when germany was on the back foot in normandy i never ever left a match and it honestly was not enjoyable; which also bring in the point that there are enough players that play like fucking animals where itâs not enjoyable and you often do remember their name for future battles.
you know that is and will always be impossible because of said mouth breathers
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You know they can quit too, right? In that match I shared, I was the only one actively playing the objective. I had more kills than the entire team and more obj defends than the entire team. We had one idiot flying around it a plane doing jack shit, another in a tank, two sniping⌠Not worth wasting my time. Iâm not here to babysit other players and make sure theyâre enjoying themselves.
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you donât get it you must suffer so the enemy can be satisfied 
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Iâm fine. I play for myself and will do my own thing.
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Yeah, there are people who will quit matches until they find one âeasy enoughâ
Wonder what will happen to the game when that becomes the meta /s
Those are valid points and no one serious is going to argue against it. Iâm not even that upset about people leaving before first spawn (although it can be frustrating spawning into the game with the first objective already contested)
You are free to not play the game, no one is forcing you to. You are free to play custom games against bots if enemy team scares you into leaving
Sounds like the match would be over quick anyway then
And what happens when every other game ends in 3 minutes because everyone has decided âenemy was able to leave spawn!?â == âIâm leavingâ
Um no. I dont think adding crewlock to Enlisted will do anything other than make people angry. It will not stop me from leaving matches.
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