Now this gun definitely received a small nerf or something because now that I have it in Moscow I really don’t know what’s the big deal with it (Note: I’m still using unupgraded gun and my Assaullters 3 are still not upgreded to be 5 star. I’m still yet to see how it is fully upgraded)
Don’t get me wrong, yes it’s very powerful on close range and there really isn’t anything that can counter this weapon in small spaces but at any other range this gun is not very reliable
First the recoil. PPSh doesn’t have a lot of recoil but the 1000+ rpm definitely makes me feel the recoil. On medium and long ranges I sometimes empty my whole mag just to kill 2 enemies
Talking about the mag, it bleeds through ammo very quickly. Playing it without ammo pouch can be very painful. Every game I have to run around searching for ammo box after killing 5 enemies.
And at last it’s the dispersion. I also posses the PPSh(box) in Berlin but this version feels much more accurate than the drum mag version. The gun just feels very inaccurate sometimes.
Honestly I’m very disappointed with this gun right now and I hope it will be better after I upgrade it because right now it just feels worse than the PPD-38 which is unlocked at early levels.
Before you call me a try-hard who asks for overpowered guns to be buffed I will have to say that I haven’t been getting many kills with this gun since I unlocked it 2 days ago. I really thought this gun is going to be worth the grind but every time I enter a game with it I can only be effective on very close range. Since most Moscow maps are medium range I always just get killed after spraying 70 bullets at the enemy and missing every shot before being one-shot killed by him
So to all new players who are grinding Moscow in the current state of the game PPD is just better. It’s more accurate and it doesn’t bleed through ammo as fast as the PPSh
Can’t speak for Moscow but in Berlin and especially in Stalingrad the PPSh is one of the better weapons because of how close quarters everything is and with one of the recoil perks the recoil becomes very controllable and allows the gun to reach out and touch people farther than it maybe should.
Also if I remember correctly the box mag PPSh has half the dispersion of the drum mag one, I guess it’s supposed to be a balance thing where drum mag has more killing power but box mag is more reliable
I love the ppsh41 (especially in Berlin). It’s a doom laser, it’s just enough accurate and the recoil is easy to control.
However, my guys all have -40% vertical recoil perks, and my ppsh41 are all max star which means more damage per bullet and distance, and better accuracy (less dispersion I think).
Ofc you won’t see what’s what if your guys don’t have the perk and your smgs are stock…
As a rule of thumb, even with big drum mags smgs, I only fire in small bursts. Makes it very easy to control, very accurate, and most importantly I know where I’m shooting at: holding left mouse will mean I’ll empty my magazine in the general direction of my target but be blinded by muzzle flash and bullet casings (ppsh41 expels it’s casings from the top).
There could be ample debate of which is better between mkb and ppsh, but truth is they’re not the same type of arm at all (I often use semi auto with mkb, and prefer distance for example, while with ppsh, it’s cqb cleaning time.)
But to quote “wise” tracksuit wearing corgi gopnik mains: “ppsh41 sucks because rof is too high and we waste bullets! Mp40 is superior thanks to .2 more damage! Nerf axis op QQ”
It’s not ideal to challenge people at medium to long range with the PPSh-41. For one the damage drop off is amongst the highest within the SMG class in Moscow. At stock it only do 2.8 damage at 100m at least requiring 4 hits to down an enemy and at most 5 hits if they have the vitality perk.
If you can not close the distance and must engage, what you can do to improve your accuracy is knowing the recoil pattern of the gun.
Each gun have unique recoil pattern with slight pseudo randomness. The PPSh-41 recoil kick to the upper right. I should state that I have -40% vertical recoil reduction as perk, and the PPSh-41 is fully upgraded.
Another thing you can do is tap fire the PPSh-41 while leaving the select fire in full auto. Rapidly tapping fire will effectively lower the fire rate and improve the control of the gun. To demonstrate I shot an entire magazine on a target at medium range in full auto and tap fire, both are fired in the crouch position with recoil compensation. I restart the practice map each time to reset the target.
I roll with strictly fully upgraded drum mag PPSh and I never use recoil perks even with LMGs. The way I use the gun is to run, crouch, aim and shoot like I did in Red Orchestra 2(no recoil perks on that). As long as the gun do the job, no need on the small details like damage and accuracy much given your engineer or a teammate build ammo boxes in key locations.
Had 100k+ kills using SMGs across all 3 Soviet campaigns with most of them being PPSh where I have been using the drum mag PPSh since the early days of Berlin campaign.
Yes it’s not. Deutch fan got aboosed? Such a fashion for reich guys to get abused and mad at any word said about the Soviets aren’t OP. I guess you will get your face ripped even if red have only shovels and mosins
Yep you are right. Deutches get vast buffs last months and they don’t want to stop. Some genius kids even say axis SUFFA in Normandy which is complete nonsence. I guess this is funny tendention to grave game with polishing german backs
I have bought the premium PPSh squad in Stalingrad from a sale last December. There is a huge difference between a stock SMG to a fully upgraded one where this is more noticeable on SMGs that have a slow ROF besides the huge boost in damage unlike bolt action rifles where both no upgrades and fully upgraded hit hard with the latter being more lethal.
Pretty much I mean it’s still good, but if you were used to fully stared ppd40 or even ppd38, then yes the stock ppsh41 might feel underwhelming. Also try to crouch before tap firing it, it helps accuracy (recoil) a great deal. We notice this less with axis smgs as they don’t shoot as fast, but it’s the same principle as for lmgs.
I love the updated model for the ppd38
