I agree, that the PPS-43 does not belong on BR II and should be on BR III like it’s planned for the Uragan in one of the following updates
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PPS 43s straight to BR 4 it’s too powerful. Clear soviet bias.
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by that logic you could put ppsh41 on BR2… mp40 has higher damage, higher recoil, higher reload, it is clearly superior in every stat over ppsh41(except dispersion).
Lets list all the BR2 tech tree SMGs
Uragan, PPS-43, PPS-42, PPSh41 Obrez
Owen Mk1, M1A1 Thompson, Lanchester, M3A1
MP-40, Beretta M1, Beretta M38/42, MP38, PPSh-41 Obrez Axis, Beretta M1918, OVP M918, FNAB-43
Type 2A, MP 28 (7.65mm)
Whats the average here? The SMGs that are all doing the same, or the 2 outliers that perform like crap?
All of these weapons are pretty similar in stats, I don’t know why you keep trying to differentiate “average” and “meta”
Yes, in your world, we should compare the PPSh-41 box to the FNAB and immediately uptier the PPSh-41 to BR9
You seem to have plenty of time.
No thx
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No, we should uptier the MP40 since its so powerful
i actually support that idea. move pps42, pps43, uragan, mp40, beretta etc. to BR3. leave BR2 for BA and shit smg.
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Finally, BR2 will be peaceful with the only remaining SMGs being the FNAB with 150 fire rate, and the M3A1 with a magazine of 10 bullets
Soviets will get a stick
Japan will get:
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That’s not enough dakka!
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A lot of you talk past each other.
BR II in 2023/early 2024 was completely different compared to today. It was originally supposed to be a place for shitty SMGs and a few/starter LMGs - a slight upgrade from BR I.
For example: MP 38 & 40, Beretta M1 and Lanchester were all in BR III from the start (same with most event/gold orders and premium stuff we see today in BR II). ZB-26 and MKB 35 were also not in II from the beginning.
For those who remembered the discussion back then: What in general initiated the process of moving stronger guns to BR II was the big request from pretty much the whole playerbase to balance out the firepower between GER and SOV.
Soviet didn’t have enough SMG:s. PPD 34 in BR I, and PPS 42 and 43. Germany had, besides their abundance of SMGs in BR I, Beretta 1918 and OVP.
That led to the unavoidable down-tiering of MP 38 and MP 40 (at first).
This naturally led to more discussion about Germany vs US weaponry in BR II, which everyone was initially fine but was now questioning.
Lanchester got naturally down-tiered in response.
But now everyone started questioning what a BR II/III standard SMG should be. Some things were clearly over-tiered all of a sudden in III …
So yeah. I think it’s fair to say that the lack of low SMGs for the Soviets is the sole reason for the power creep in low BR. However, whether the creep is good or not, certainly differs depending on who you ask.
But BR II is definitely not like what it was or intended to be.
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almost, Japan also had Type2A on BR2 from the start which is only slightly worse than Pps-42 because of its smaller magazine.
Well said.
In which case, uptiering the Soviet SMGs would leave them with no weapons in the tier, and effectively undermine years of balancing that has resulted in a pretty well balanced BR2, in which, the Soviet SMGs are only ahead of the Japanese guns, outside of the effectiveness of Body-Armour.
Its really quite funny how much vitriol is thrown at the Soviet faction, when the USA SMGs are so much more powerful, and affect the Axis AND Japanese faction instead of just Axis.
The ancient battle of Soviet vs Axis balance needs to simmer down, and I think after all this time, the mains of those factions should just “git gud” and improve at the game, clearly adding all these weapons hasnt changed anything for those players specifically. There is an underlying issue and its not the game balance
Also, in terms of balancing of the BRs when the system was initially released, we can look back in retrospect and go “yeah, it was the first time trying this and they were not accurate in the first iteration. I mean, the Lee-Enfield in the same tier as the Garand? Nobody is making a raucous about that being downtiered.”
The original vision of the game was the campaign system, and the rework into the BR system is great and its an ongoing balance and project of the game
The biggest issue with the progression system that it had followed the progression of the old campaigns thus weapons such as Beretta 38/42 got placed on BR4 despite the clearly better Lanchester 50 was BR3…
and just a little correction, M1 Garand was Tier IV at merge while SMLE was only tier III, just check tech tree.
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And now both are in BR2 and are well matched to eachother. Nature has healed 
Ah, perfectly matched against the Gewehr 41
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You are acting like there was never an option to nerf them to be on par with other BR2 smgs. 
A thing that forlorn himself suggested.
But it’s funny you liked his post. Since I pointed out very similar thing few weeks back.
I bet you wouldn’t like it just because it was I who said it.
Nor do I have time for that
So bored of this topic. Its an old one…nothing new
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Obviously.
Since the core issue wasn’t addressed until this very day.
cause all problems started from soviets not having shit smg at low BR. if they added shit smg at low BR for soviets or if they nerfed existing ones, then we could move good smg from other nations to BR3. other nations dont lack shit smg.
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It’s definitely much less accurate than 42, it’s not just vertical but also double horizontal spread and also worse recoil direction 0.33 vs 0.4. The higher rof the worse dispersion will get, you can’t land all shots with PPS-43 unless you get really close but then you may as well use superior Uragan. So you are wrong, rof higher that 670 is not really needed at BR2 unless you fight vs BR3 uptiers with Germans carrying ZK-383 and Mp41.
I still like double smg combo as Soviets as it’s really powerful PPS-42 as primary for accuracy and not wasting bullets and switch to Uragan as they get close as recoil/dispersion doesn’t really matter at close range. PPS-43 got left behind while being worse than both options. It’s also good to mention that PPS-43 is using same mags as PPS-42 so you can’t double stack them like PPS-42 + Uragan
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