Poll about pistols (results)

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Hello again,
These is the result section of the original topic: Poll about pistols

I closed the poll 20 hours after making it and achieved from 15 up to 25 voters.

Here are the results:

1. Mauser c96 is the best gun in the game
Combining good firepower and laser non-existant recoil, a lot of players agreed this weapon needs reworks

2. Korovin TK is the most disappointing gun in the game (Nagant revolver Not included)
Having very high recoil combined with terrible damage per shot, Korovin might be the biggest disappointment out of all pistols. Followed by the Tokarev TT which also has very high recoil but a little bit more damage.

p08 Luger and p38 Walter
Players voted that these 2 guns work absolutely the same like they are reskins.

German pistols VS Russian pistols
There were 3 smaller polls on this question and all votes were higher for german pistols. This is the proof that Soviet pistols underperform.

This might also mean that the worst German pistol is better than the best russian pistol (this is only a theory, don’t take it serious)

Tokarev TT buff conclusion
The last poll showed that players want Tokarev TT to receive better damage so recoil can be a trade-off

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i disagree. to be honest, it’s the only proper pistol in the whole weaponary.

so i don’t know how you all think, but just because something works properly, doesn’t mean must be nerfed.
quite the opposite.

the others pistol should be buffed in order to compete with the c96.

agreed.

i can only talk for the p08, which it’s disappointing too
( unfortunatelly, don’t know if values are changed as it was pre CBT )

again, it’s not that they overperform. they just get the job done. something that complealty lacks for the russians.

that can be a solution.

but just a partial one.

that’s why i think if guns have to be balanced, they should at least perform at the same way, or better than currently they are.

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In other words they overperform

I agree soviet guns should be buffed but I don’t get why is it such a big deal to say overperform

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yes, indeed pistol should be buffed.

or…

i don’t know what else.

balance of this game it’s complealty questionable.

considering that soviet rifles and smg are better, while germans get better secondary, mgs and tanks?

k mommy gaijin… ok…

i mean, it gives you the ability to try both sides… but it’s not very well structured in my opinion.

everytime i think about it, my brain hurts.

anyway, let’s see what we can do.

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You should not complain to me about that

I’m the one who pushes the asymmetric balance.
That’s literately what devs have promised us.

If they go with symmetric I will be very disappointed cuz it will make the game… forgettable and boring

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Problem is, that when you say something overperforms, you are suggesting that it should be nerfed into the line to be on par with soviet pistols, because soviet pistols are on the spot where they should be (which is obviously not true and probably not even your intention).
However, soviet pistols should be buffed to be as effective as axis pistols (aka not effective at all, but more effective than pistols are now) instead of nerfing axis pistols into army of nagants.
So, instead it should be said, that soviet pistols underperform. Which would then mean, that you want soviet weapons to be buffed to be as (in)effective as axis ones.

I mean no offense, but while my English is not perfect either, that is how probably everyone would understand it when reading your post.

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Ok, can we stop talking about that
I will edit the word if it bothers you so much

Jeez

What do you mean by that?
Make them better than now but still worse than german ones?
Why do you want to punish them?

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No, what I meant by that is, that pistols in general are ineffective even in their role no matter if they are axis or soviet (thus, buffing soviet weapons into current axis ones is going to solve soviet pistol problem if nothing else changes about pistols, but not problem of pistols being pretty much useless in general). That means both should be buffed to be able to do that role. Of course I do not want soviet pistols to be buffed less than axis… that wouldn´t make any sense.

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They could be buffed to deal 6-7 damage per shot

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that is partially truee.

as i said, i used to use the p08 with the flametrooper class during the alpha and it was good. finds out that i have the p08 during this cbt, ( i couldn’t find it because i gaved to a sniper level 1 forgotten in the rear ) but now, i can agree with you that pistols has been nerfed and made almost pointless for it’s job.

where?

and why?

no wonder why people plays germany the most. lmgs are quite effective. and you are fine with that?
( asymetrical gameplay favor one faction rather than the other )
i ain’t here to start nothing, but think wisely for everyone’s good.

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Thats mostly because germans got better equipment in CBT (MP-41 was made in the same year as PPSh-41 but instead we dont even have PPD-40, just the 38 model)

And even if it was opposite, we both know most ww2 players sympathise axis so it wont change anything.

Asymmetric balance is mostly based on examples like- this team has this better but the other team has that better. It’s already been used on games such as Hell let Loose and Post scriptum and both games received very positive feedback.

Games that followed the same stupid symmetric balance like BF V and CoD WW2 didn’t end very well

Asymmetric balance can be done and it has already been used but it takes time and patience.

For example:
One team is stronger than the other one and in the next update, the other team gets a cool unique weapon and so on and so on until both teams enter a compromise.

In symmetric balance, both teams are the same thing in different uniform so players choose nation which looks cooler to them and looking at ww2 fans of 21st century …so they choose axis

And we are again at the square 1

Now I don’t want some biased bullshit extreme asymmetry, just some difference between teams as we have it now

I believe most players don’t want to see americans defending normandy