The production team was asked to consult players when it came to adding controversial weapons to the tech tree. For example, this time, the PPSH (S) and the truncated M2 carbine, to be honest, the addition of these weapons is very abrupt, and it seems that the production team painstakingly figured out from the historical documents entangled in spider silk. When this weapon is to be added to the game, please discuss it with the players thoroughly. PPSH41(S) caused discontent among players, with German players believing they needed it too; And the Soviet players already have the BR4 silencer weapon in the gold card weapon, which makes it seem that the Soviet players who used to exchange gold cards for silenced weapons are like clowns, including the silencer set issued on Victory Day.
It’s not really about [X faction] players, it’s a more universal issue, suppressed weapons don’t belong in the tech tree, at all.
I disagree, what kind of pseudo dogma is that?
What needs to be done is for them to have meaningful negative tradeoffs in comparison to standard weapons.
This can be achieved by numerous ways. Like lowering their base dmg even more or significantly increasing distance dmg drop off
There’s no good reason for them to not be in tech tree.
I disagree, what kind of pseudo dogma is that?
With such childish response, you probably have no clue what dogma even means. 
I feel like a good tradeoff could be to have silencers detachable/ attachable, sort of like bayonets and scopes. However you have to buy them separately, maybe 400 silver to be in line with grenades, or even the price of the weapon.
That way, it should limit their use, along with other tradeoffs.
“A set of uncritically held beliefs”, if you want the secular non religious definition.
Don’t assume I don’t have any reasons for believing as I do and that my position is untenable, and I won’t do the same for you, deal?
Sounds like dogma then
I’d say first and foremoset “weapons that didn’t exist and/or were not used in WW2 don’t belong in the tech tree, at all”
Regardless of which faction, or silencer, or other gold order purchases
I quite like that, but there’d be some problems with it of course, nothing that can’t be ironed out:
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Most WW2 suppressed weapons were integrally suppressed, meaning there is no attatchment to remove or put on, but that the weapon was built from the ground up in that way.
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It would mean removing or altering most already pressent suppressed weapons. Not impossible, just improbable.
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And it would require a rebuilding from the ground up how weapons are handled in the game. Again, I’m not opposed to it.
I just feel that, as things are right now, the uniqueness of suppressed weapons are harmed by making one (a non-existant prototype at that) the only suppressed weapon in the tech tree, available to all in any numbers. Some weapons deserve larger spotlights than others based on historical performance and breadth of use, what makes the PPSh-41 (S) so special it deserves to be the sole exception to this rule? Nothing…
There’s this too, it would be cool as a BP or event weapon, but being virtually made up or non-existant there’s no reason to add it to the tech-tree, especially since there’s no balancing need for it (what will it do exactly that the Soviets are in desperate need of? It’s a copy of the normal PPSh-41 with a suppressor slapped on, it will function just the same).
If you won’t at least do me the courtesy of acknowledging that there are real concerns, and what’s more that anyone holding a contrary position to you as being without logic and reason, then quite frankly you are the child here.
You are beeing needlessly combatative.
The Suppressed M3 Grease Guns I bought have 7.9 damage as opposed to the 8.2 for the TT non suppressed ones. The BP Erma EMP comes with a 6.8 and the EMP Suppressed is at 6.6. So, they are getting a little damage deduction.
This I would agree with. To be TT eligible they should have been actually used in WW2, even if used rarely, as long as they were actually used during the war. For example, guns like the Winchester 1866 and 1877 were never used in the war, so they should never be added.
What I was thinking was two models are one gun. So, if we take the PPSH as an example, without the suppressor it’s just the standard PPSH, but if we buy and “attach” the suppressor, it changes the model into the suppressed version. So basically, two guns under the one. If that makes sense.
Premiums and event squads can be kept how they are. In the tech tree, perhaps we can get different guns with suppressors, such as a Lanchester, or something like that (I don’t know enough about which guns were silenced during WWII).
Back to my first point, old handling aliases can be kept, but they just need to make new ones to work side by side with the old ones when the silencer is equipped.
Adding the FG 42 to the tech tree was arguably the worst decision. The STG should’ve been the select fire instead, matching up perfectly to the M2 Carbine. The Soviets could still keep their AVT/AVS. I almost wish now anyway that one of the STGs were added to the select fire class. That way I could actually do a historical loadout how it should’ve been. (I might make a suggestion on that).
Let’s not even start on the Uragan, or the Ofrenrohr on all factions, or the other pointless additions. I’m not counting the M2 sawnoff as pointless, because at least it adds something different to the Japanese line. And I do know it was fairly commonplace, since Japan severely lacked small arms like SMGs and ARs.
That is Adamnpee in a nutshell. Anything anyone says that isn’t his idea, he has to take it out of context and make it his idea in the end.
Yep, I am well aware of that. But I don’t think that’s high enough tradeoff. The difference should be higher. And possibly much more significant dmg drop off.
This reminded me of a guy in another forum thread about captured weapons that “shouldn’t be in the tech trees they are” if that were the case, half of the German low and medium BR tree would disappear, in this case Japan would be left without tanks and some high BR planes and weapons. Those who would suffer the least in this case would be the Allies and the Soviets because in those cases 95% of the weapons were used and it would be even funnier because the German players would cry more than they do now and those from Japan who don’t complain would be condemned to BR III battles for life.