So I was playing D-Day, defending the position, when suddenly an American soldier comes up with what appears to be an assault rifle and manages to take me and 5 other people out before emptying his clip, and successfully assault the position (alone). I could swear that guy must have been using an AK-47 or something, but I saw it was a “M2 carbine”. I then saw several more people using that weapon in other matches, always with deadly efficiency. Now there are many issue with this.
First of is: there were no m2 carbines on D-Day (and the Normandy campaign)
They only saw any real combat in ww2 during the Battle of Okinawa. This is not realistic, even to counter similar German weapons (but you don’t see people running with STG-44s on German teams, though). If you’re going to add experimental and anachronistic weapons to the game, by that same logic, you could add AK-47s to the Battle of Berlin campaign…
Second is: The M2 Carbine is not an assault rifle
It’ niche more closely ressembled that of a SMG or PDW (like the m1 carbine). It fired a .30 carbine round which is significantly weaker than those used by assault rifles, including the STG-44. So no, it shouldn’t be used in a similar role than assault-rifles (as is the current case in game) and cause such devastation, it was a significantly weaker weapon and it’s portrayal (and even it’s availability) in the game cause significant unbalance.
So, and I don’t think I’m alone here, I would petition for the m2 carbine to be removed from or reworked in the Normandy campaign (where it didn’t see use historically).
Lastly, it took me some time to realize I was not hit by an AK-47, because the game shows the gun having a 7.62 caliber. This is confusing, maybe the carbine rounds should be displayed as .30 carbine to avoid confusion with bigger guns. Also, at least in the North American servers, people playing in American teams seem to usually be of higher level than those playing Germans. There seems to be an inbalance in the games - as American teams often win the majority of the games, and if you join games selecting “join any”, you will 90% of the times start as Germans (I only click on join any and my Normandy German campaign is twice the level of my American one). Adding such an overpowered and ahistorical weapon to the Americans only worsens that already-existing inbalance.
Its recoil is great, and it often blocks the sights because of the recoil. Usually its performance is not as good as Browning. But it really shouldn’t exist in Normandy
It looks like someone is mad about the FG 42 nerf .
If you think the M2 Carbine comes even close to FG 42, then I’m 100% sure that you never tried it yourself. Is pure crap, only works in close combat (hip fire only), and even then, it’s a hit or miss, that’s why I removed it from all my troops and gave them M1 Garand instead.
I maxed out both Allies and Axis on Normandy and I can tell you that when it comes to infantry, Axis have total supremacy, there’s no room for discussion on that subject. I literally felt like cheating when I was using MG 42 and FG 42, that’s how good they are.
History doesn’t matter, like the devs said they will add what they think suit the battle and the M2 seen some action earlier but in really small numbers.
Its on the line of being AR…
But you do see people running around with FG-42 (LMG) on the same numbers people run with M2 carbine…
Point is make the M2 carbine exclusive to SMG squads and make the FG-42 exclusive to LMG squads…
Infantry shouldn’t be running around with LMGs and ARs.
Please stop talking about removal or restriction. For a campaign with 40+ expected levels, and you get the end-game rifle at level 7. If that’s the case why don’t put M1 and Gewehr 43 at level 23 just like in Moscow. Anyone with a human brain knows that’s highly impossible.
And furthermore, FG42 is not end-game rifle either. Germany also has a counterpart to Johnson LMG and AVT40, but I have no idea which one it is.
I would like to tell people like you who ask to remove guns one thing in the end a weapon is a weapon if you do not know how to play with the basic rifle figured with the smg, mg, anti-tank gun etc are not the weapons the problem is you who do not know how to fight back
Geez, people are really thrilled to nerf everything those days. Do you really want to play this game only with bolt-action rifles and pistols? If i get 5 quick kills in a row with Kar98 or M1 garand then it’s ok and If I kill 5 people in row with FG42 or M2 everyone gets mad…this doesn’t make sense anymore.
STG 44,MP43,mkb 42 and other stg variants or prototypes are going to be in assault class,but anyaways the m2 carbine is so bad right now…
And for normandy in the close future updates we are getting the mkb 42 and thompson with 100 rounds mag,probably as last campaing levels and I wouldnt mind if its not 100% historical correct and its at 95%,its a game and the more variety of weapons we get the better.
If M2 should be removed because of being not historical,
FG42s should be removed because they are paratrooper weapons, not for regular soldiers running on the ground. If you are no para squad you cant have FG42.
All capture weapons like MAS36 should be removed. MAS36 only be produced in small quantity.
WWI weapons like beretta 1918 = remove. It is WWII now man.
MP35 is an SS weapon. do we have SS in Normandy?
ZK383 = remove. It is produced in the Czech and exported to Latin America, not Germany.
No hip shot for MG34 and MG42. seriously man? Hip shot MG? All MGs must deploy to shoot or they will recoil so hard and pointing everywhere.
American will have constant 127mm arty support. This is what happened on Omaha beach. 17 destroyers approach the beach and provided fire support and blow germans up.
Americans will have not regular but occasional cruiser, heavy cruiser and battleship arty support. They did it historically on Omaha beach.
Do you really want to get historical battle? Maybe think twice.
Yes, that’s exactly the point. Both those weapons are absurd in the way they are implemented and should be removed or at least strictly restricted to one or few classes. Both time-traveling M2 and FG42 equipped to all WH soldiers should not be a thing.
Of course the ammount of other nation weapons is too high, but at least they are not so problematic as M2 and FG, especially MAS, that is the weakest BA rifle in the entire game.
Both of those were used by SS. Sadly the only SS unit in Normandy right now is premium Pz III squad.
But at least they are not available to every one single trooper.
German soldiers were trained to fire them while moving, at least with MG-34. But of course, they could get some higher recoil.
If you really want to be accurate about ship support, then all those cannons would be unusable as soon as infantry landed on the beach. So no “constant 127mm arty support”
We could also add that there would be no tanks of the landing Invasion maps and big part of US players could randomly drown while going out of their landing crafts. “Realistic”, but unwanted things can go both ways.
I really don’t understand how many of you can’t see the middle ground between removing few not historically acurate guns/vehicles and wanting to go into full 100% realistic WW2 simulator. We were promised guns, uniforms and vehicles that are in line with historical facts.
Slight adjustments are fine. But absurds like M2 and FG42 are not.
Redditors were right, people will cry about everything now. If you think the M2 carbine is bad. if you see me using the Browning on Normandy you will probably uninstall and cry.
If someone just looked at the stats for the weapons, accessible from level 1, they’d be able to tell the M2 is a piece of shit in comparison to the fg-42.
Why people keep going mad about supposedly OP weapons? Contrary to USA and UK, Germany had assault rifles and universal MGs. USSR had by far the best SMGs in the war. We cannot have ALL factions having exactly the same guns but with different aesthetics. It ll make playing different factions useless.
dude every one on here crying limit guns limit this limit that’s u do know that’s what kills games right why do you want to limit guns so bad and take away options not saying you have to use them but why would you u wanna limit the guns it takes away diversity in games as u will only have bolt actions why would i want level 1 gear for my high end squads? that would making leveling campaign totally useless again why limit your options dont cut off your nose to spite your face! it come down to a skill issue the guns werent an issue when the germans were equiping them and using them but the americans get 1 gun and every one crys it doesnt make sense so please quit cherry picking 1 thing out of bunch things wrong oh and quit telling me how to play the game ill use what i want when i want
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