Panzer II(F) is not historical (suprise suprise)

The Panzer II Flamethrower only served until 1941. Due to massive losses during the first winter, the remaining tanks have been scrapped or turned into Marders by the Wehrmacht.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/flam.htm

Unfortunaly there are not many alternative for replacement as the Flammpanzer III saw action in 1943, same applies to the Sdkfz with flamethrower.

Possible idea. The Italian L3-33 Flamethrower version.
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Thing is Ital Itals send L3s to the Eastern Front and sold some of them to Hungary (including Flamethrowers). While the Itals probably used the vast majority of the Flamers only in Africa, some L3s and L3-35s saw limited usage during the first phase of Stalingrad before Ital and Hungary withdrawed them from the front (including some flame version according to one or two sources but thats also very invalide)

Yes. They are also not really historical like the Panzer II, but AT LEAST we could get either a Italian or Hungarian squad/ Italian tankette which would increase the diversity of the Axis equipment more.

My five cents before I probably get banned.

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bruh

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I played enough German tanks for this year. At least its not German kappa.

as long as the tanks itself is not OP and remain average, including it in the campaign is only an incentive to make ppl play the campaign/buy the pack.

it doesnt really matter if its not historical

why italian tanks always look like shit tho?

They are not ugly. They are special and beautiful in their pasta way ^^

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They were so focused on whether they could that they never stopped to think if they should

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The argument about inserting obsolete weapons into the “Fall Blau” line up is going to fall on deaf ears, since the PzIII B the entry German tank in the Moscow campaign had been withdrawn from service by the time of OP Barbarossa ref: Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf.B (Sd.Kfz.141) - Tank Encyclopedia - cited from Panzer Tracts etc…

The first 8 built Panzer III Ausf. Bs were ready for distribution by August of 1937. Six of these would be given to the Putlos tank training school. The remaining two would be given to the 5th Panzer Regiment. The last two vehicles built, when completed, were allocated to the 1st Panzer Regiment at the end of 1937.

*Despite being built in small numbers, the Panzer III Ausf. B would see some action during the war. Due to the lack of more modern tanks, the Germans were forced to use some Panzer III Ausf. Bs for the invasion of Poland in 1939. The majority (if not all) Ausf. B vehicles that were damaged or required a major overhaul were retired from service and instead given to training units after February 1940."

The PzIII E could be argued to have been used in Barbarossa and as such would be better suited to be an entry level vehicle for the germans, however, it should be swapped out for the F as the more numerous and most likely starting variant (there are some differences between them) ref: Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf.E (Sd.Kfz.141) - Tank Encyclopedia

“For the invasion of the Soviet Union, there were 350 3.7 cm and 1,090 5 cm armed Panzer IIIs. By this time, it is somewhat difficult to pinpoint the precise version of the Panzer III used, as the sources rarely mention them. The identification of the precise version is not always possible, as the Ausf. F looked exactly the same as the Ausf. E. Like in the previous campaigns, the Panzer III was the backbone of the German armored thrust. The German tanks were able to quickly overcome the older Soviets models, like the T-26 and the BT series. The T-34 and KV vehicles proved to be almost invulnerable to the German tank guns. Following the harsh German losses in the Soviet Union, its likely that only a small number of Panzer III Ausf. Es would have survived 1941.”

The more appropriate upgrades to the PzIII J, would be the G or H variants, which are also well documented ref: Panzer III

“The Panzer III Ausf.G was produced between March 1940 and early 1941…The first Ausf.G tanks were armed with 3.7 cm Kw.K L/46.5 tank gun. Some took part in the invasion of Holland, Belgium and France in May 1940. After experiences during the battle of France later versions were armed with the 5 cm Kw.K 38 L/42 gun. They were used on the Eastern Front and in North Africa.”

“The Panzer III Ausf.H was the first version of the tank to be designed with a turret fitted with the 5 cm Kw.K 38 L/42 tank gun and with 60 mm of frontal armour, rather than having these specifications added later in an upgrade program. They started to be delivered in late 1940 and early 1941.”

The PZIII J in game would have come as a very late addition, if at all, into the Moscow Campaign as it was an evolution of the PzIII G and a redesign of the hull. Production only started in 1941, so perhaps some early examples might have made it into the theater by Oct/Nov '41 in time for the events unfolding in game.

Consequently the proposed PzII (F) variant is in game to fill a gameism niche. If you stretch your imagination you could argue that a few units were retained/hidden by Pz Regiments “in the rear with the gear” for use in urban combat situations :wink:

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cuz it’s not like their industry allowed them to have much bigger and functional tanks.

the only thing that could be considered a tank from the italian, were the Fiat-Ansaldo saharian tank, and the P26/40.

problem is, both of them were prototypes and were quite rare with it’s own mechanical issues

regarding op,
yep… every campaign has some ahistorical tank in the campaign or outdated tanks.

reason being, you have to grind to get equipment that was there.
devs don’t particularly care about historical stuff anymore.
( i mean, yes and no )

can’t really blain them due to the market.
but here’s that.

( yes, this goes against what devs stated previously, but i’m afraid that controversy has becomed normality )

I almost spit out some coffee reading that. You get a hug.

ian_malcolm

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Yeah. Which is why I propose to at least make Axis more diverse this time…
Ans because I dont like the look of this Panzer II.

i don’t like either the pz II.
but it’s actually an unique vehicle.
and i like it’s uniqueness. because this proves that they can make vehicles on their own and doesn’t actually have to be taken from war thunder. ( as in wt there are no pz II f models outside the small boxy one looking tiger )

i bought it anyway because i was interested in stalingrad and basically unlock it to fully being able to play all it’s content.

but this ring an alarm for me.
just like tunisia, i get the feeling we will start with outdated equipment. and i’m not a huge fan what so ever.

creates more opportunity for stuff that i had in mind, but i don’t like them.

either way, it’s truee that there are other tanks that could have been used instead. for example a pz III with flames.
but the russians would not have something similar. maybe the t34. or they should have opted for allied vehicles such as an m4 or matildas. which not everyone likes.

so, i suppose pz II and t26 will do.

As much as enlisted tries to be a historically accurate game it isn’t. However I do not mind as its a fantastic game. <3