Yes but this is about the Panzer 4 H.
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you want pz4 H moved to BR3, i want pz4 F2, G, J moved to BR4. they unlike 76w can penetrate every enemy tank frontally(even if they need to aim for machine gun port for jumbo)
I think that the IV H is very comparable to the already BR3 T-34/57, itās really stupid to keep it at BR4.
I am somewhat in the feeling of agreeing here.
Yes KV1 is immortal in BR1 and BR2, however it is useless in BR4
Panzer IV can beat IS2 and Pershing with some aim, considering it has 140 pen.
Panzer IV F2 should be the max unlock BR3 tank instead. Also while at it, they could just as well move KV1, T34 STZ into BR4 together with moving Panthers into BR5.
If BR4 would consist of Panzer IV H, Jagdpanzer IV L48 with fixed 80mm armor, the terrible Jagdpanzer IV A with the bad armor but a L70 gun, KV1, T34 85, SU85, T34 STZ, Jumbo, the many Sherman 76s and āmaybe that single early tiger with the cupola weakspot and no top MG or the KV1 zis 5ā
ā¦ then we could have a big verity of tanks to choose from, while keeping the truly very strong tanks in BR5.
In BR4 each faction could choose from strong armor or strong firepower, while making BR3 less of a powehouse against BR1 and BR2.
Panzer IV F2, early T34, Shermans in BR3 sounds much less frightening than KV1 and Panzer IV J.
Or we stop letting Br 3 face Br 1,2n and 5 and let br 3 only face Br 3 and 4.
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Yes. Move them to BR3, at least the M10.
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Just another example of a game economy failing to cope with real world issues Iām afraid.
Panzer IV-F2 is exactly the same as Pz IVG - the changed the designation shortly after starting production of F2ās without making any other alterations!
So they have to pretend there is a major difference in armour to differentiate them (thicker armour was built into later production Gās, but could be bolted onto any F)
Then H comes along - it has some improvements - the 80mm front plate is now monoblock instead of being 50mm + 30mm, and various other useful changes - thicker roof armour, and schurzen being a production standard.
smoke dischargers change over the various series too - going from rear mounted to turret mounted to teh nifty little single shot mortar reloaded from inside.
But is really is NOT any sort of massive improvement over the G. Canāt have that in a wargame tho - itās got to be given something to justify adding it to the grind, or ripping off the puntersā¦
The J is, of course, the end of war āvalue engineeredā version that has a much, much lower turret rotation speed due to ditching the powered traverse system entirely. There are various other changes - heavier roof armour, schurzen becomes mesh later on and zimmeret is no longer applied, bigger gas tank. And late war the face hardened armour become homogenous, which is a reasonably significant change to wargames - but mostly the difference to a wargame is the slow turret traverse.
And from all that we manage to get what is pretty much the same tank to exist over several BRās for no good reason at all.
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First Panzer IV G had indeed the same armor and gun of the Panzer IV F2 - however the majority didnāt.
Most Panzer IV G had 80mm frontal armor and the better L48 gun. I donāt know what you are complaining about here?
lol - look at the bit you quoted and what you said about it dudeā¦ smhā¦
What are you complaining about?
Panzer IV F2 should be like it is
Panzer IV G should be a Panzer IV H without the skirts
PZ3 / 4 is one of those things that definitely should be foldered.
grinding same tank over and over again when they should have instead been foldered.
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Well that is true - Iāll give him that, but thatās not the topic now is it?
Sorry meant BR 4 most of the time, but sometimes I do see people greyzone hunt with it in BR 5 and get some good kills with it.
That is the definition of āglass canonā that you can deal very good damage but in turn have bad health or armor. Use it like a cat and rat technique, then you are skilled and considered the tank op. BT 5 or BT 7 is shit in general, but think it like Glass canon and use that cat and rat technique (which is what that tank is good at thanks to good speed) and BT 5 or BT 7 will be op in BR 1-2 range
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Well, then, H still should be about the same as the J since J only has worse turret speed.
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Iām the weird person who like the IV G more ig. Smoke grenades + better situational mobility for slightly less pen, no sideskirts, and no commander MG.
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Same
I love commanders MGs - its my main reason why I pick certain tanks. Its literally a second coax, yes your shooter is exposed - but thatās even better, it makes the enemy focus my tank instead of the objective, also most people are stupid enough to shoot my commander out instead of simply throwing that TNT after a good flank - giving me again a chance to react.