Why would the N be perfect tho? At BR2 sure its very powerful, but it sucks against BR3 vehicles.
Its kinda like KV1 as in it completely dominates lower BRs but sucks if uptiered, however Panzer III N has the bonus of being insanely good at infantry support.
Take it, both are mid spawns, like unless their cracked pilots, the actual effect either has on the battlefield is minimal. I take the P-40 for both nations for a reason.
And if we do want to go down that route, again both the 38 and the Il 2 have other vehicles at the same BR which can be worth taking over them for practical value and not just larp value.
Not to mention the “uggghhhh but they have insert other weapon/vehicle here” argument is getting really tired here. You do know we can ask for more than one BR change at the same time right?
sure
Care to mention which ones ?
Dunno, you mentioned no other faction has “best” vehicle in said BR.
Both P38 & IL2 outclasses any plane on GE side.
Sure
For the western allies:
The P-40 as mentioned above,
And the Dauntless just for the 1000lb bomb which is great for clearing out objectives.
For the Soviets:
Again the P-40,
And the Su-2, great multirole which can stay on station for a while.
I dont recall saying anything like that, I had thought I pointed out that at that BR the other side has a meta defining vehicle which would completely make all other vehicles for that faction at that BR redundant. I think I also mentioned that this isnt just an issue about the Pz3 N but more an issue spread across all nations.
As for those outclassing the germans, eh not really, the Ju87 fills a similar role to the Dauntless and Su-2 which I think are better than the P 38 and the IL 2, As for the fighters, the BF 109 F’s are good shouts being solid fighters and multirole. I suppose I can admit that you have a lack of rocket aircraft at that BR, I do actually think you should get a BF 110 at BR 2. However I do not rate rockets particularly well.
Sorry just to tack on here, if any mains should be bitching, it should be the poor Jap mains who truly get shafted.
That and forgot to mention the IAR above, honestly as a BR 1 fighter, it holds up amazingly well at BR 2 and BR3, the engine being the only thing holding it back.
Il just leave the stats here.
Seems just much easier choice.
You can find the soviets stats there too.
Ok
Like IL-2 ? Works as CAS plane as well as fighter ?
Same goes with P38
Stukas are definition of this
Sure, still outclassed by both P38 & IL-2
Yeah, I could tell that from choosing 2x 100lb bombs over 8 rockets and 4x 50kg.
The problem with the JU-87 and IL-2s is they have a tendency to just fall out of the air. The SBD and SU-2 also suffer from this, albiet a bit less.
You can play top trumps if you want, the stat sheet rarely translates into the main game, especially not for most players, because yes, if you land every rocket, every bomb perfectly all while avoiding getting shot from having to hold a steady line to get said shots, those vehicles can technically do more damage, but you and I know better than that.
Yes I will take a fighter over a heavy fighter if I want to maintain the airspace which is what I have to do a lot of the time due to my teams refusing to build rallies let alone AA. And if I do want to clear out large sections of the battlefield, guess what the dauntless or Su-2 does great.
The IL 2 is not a fighter at all, sure it can shoot down other aircraft when the conditions are right, but so can a stuka, there is steadier ground to stand on I must admit. Any fighter will out turn it or otherwise out manoeuvre it.
If you think stukas are mere larp, sucks to suck I guess, cant argue that, though personally ill keep the 500kg for myself.
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Yeah, not to mention the rearm time with some of them. Those two reasons are why I stick to to the P-40 normally.
You should have have just said this as your first post and people would have known to ignore you.
In what reality you cannot line point and click rockets to your target while being shot but somehow can land direct hits with 50kg bombs that takes way much more practice & accuracy ?
Or you could have come up to this conversation with argument like that and I would have known just to ignore you.
Do what ever suits you.
Damn dude take a chill pill, I can leave this if you want me to leave?
In what world is that not a major downside? 
“if you know your weakness, its on you if you dont compensate for it?”…that bascially covers EVERY tank and plane in the game.
Its not a major downside when you still have another 25 APHE rounds that still can get the job vs any BR 2 and below tank.
look at the “Big Picture”. its a “major” downside when you get uptiered. you have to conisder T-34s, Kv-1s, Shermans. Where on the flip side the other nations still shoot at the same Panzers III/IV (the weakspot never changes) they have been shooting at for BRs 1-3 and arent nearly as affected by an uptier
All the more reason to give it the better HEAT round it deserves.
Not to mention there is actually a decent difference between the models of both the 3 and 4 surprisingly. There is less weakspots on them and more weak angles id argue. Especially when the Pz 4 J has an uncanny ability to just eat 6 pounder rounds.
Maybe you missed it, and perhaps its on me for not clarifying it, but it would only be fit to go up to BR with its better HEAT round, said round allowing it to penetrate most things it could face minus BR5 stuff, including said T-34’s, KV-1’s and shermans.
Presumably messing with the ammo loads too (I still pray for the day we can customise it) to where HEAT and HE are the main two shells in the Pz3 N
Maybe thats the Difference…Im talking about what is, you are talking about what could be…
Most of the comments and opinions here have been it has no weakness “as it currently is” and it doesnt belong at BR 2, which is clearly not looking at the big picture.
But if your entire stance has been based on a “what if iteration” that currently doesnt exist(full ammo storage of HEAT 115mm pen) maybe I would have less to say.
thats on the player for not knowing the major weakspot, which doesnt change with model, which isnt small and is available from any angle and range (granted solid shot isnt as good afterpen damage as it should be on a whole, and the 6 pounders dont have their good ammunition)
Tanks need so much more improvement on a whole…they are incomplete and the strengths and weaknesses of existing tanks cant be fully realised until
Yeah I mean it is the title of the post I now realise so yeah should have mentioned it before, as it is now, no way is it BR 3 material, but with upgraded HEAT, it would become a really solid BR 3 pick, while also justifying moving the Stug 3 down to let it be relevant.
Also its less about weakspots since a 6 pounder should cut through anything like a pz4 like a warm knife through butter. Its very much the snail eating my shells, that and post pen being horribly small.
But otherwise yes to all of the above, especially AI on the hull gun, its comical how undaunted infantry are at the moment to frontally charge a tank with a hull MG.