OK - you've had your wee joke with Normandy armour.... can we fix it please?

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M10 vs Panther - ha ha - yes we all laughed at that one - good joke - well done :slight_smile:
Now can we have some vagley reasonable balance there?

M5 vs Puma - that’s fine, although I think a better equivalent for the Puma is the AEC Mk III with a 6 pdr gun - it has wheeled mobility like the Puma, and hte 6 Pdr is much more an equivalent to the 50mm L60 than the 37mm.

M8 vs PzIIIN - M8 looses a bit here due open top and no coax MG… but it’s not major… and below I suggest a replacement for this pair anyway

M4 vs PzIVJ - this is fine too as far as it goes, but there is a better duo that could go here and that is:
Pz-IVJ vs M10 - both of these are basically worse in Enlisted than the H and M4, so should arrive earlier, not later. Any advantage the M10 gets from the 76mm is outweighed by open top, no coax mg, and easily killed by all previous Axis tanks! Both have awful turret traverse speeds.

M4 vs Pz-IVH can then replace the Jumbo vs Pz-IVH - another good little joke - oh how we all laughed at this too… well done, you got us good…!!

Lastly the Panther and Jumbo - probably just make the Jumbo a 76mm and be done with it - neither can be properly balanced, and both should probably be premiums anyway at this stage - yes the Panther was a “normal” German tank of the era, but it was also completely outnumbered by allied armour so if you aren’t going to have any “real world” balance then make people pay for arguably the best tank of the campaign!

Other possibilties include Panther vs Firefly,or even the A30 Challenger - which was also available at Normandy, and has speed and a coax MG, if not well armoured.

Another duo that could probably be in there is Sherman 105mm CS tank and the StuH 42 - the “Stug” with 105mm howitzer - it is probably a better match than the M8 and PzIII IMO

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Little correction here - you swapped the German tanks. It’s Pz-IVH that faces the Jumbo, Pz-IVJ comes as the counterpart of M4

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Oh yeah - ta - edited

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Did you not know they fitted 76mm to Jumbo’s? The turret was designed for the 76mm in the first place so it was just a drop in replacement.

ETA: And when they did it they also upgraded the co-ax to a .50 on at least some of them…

PLUS - there weer an unknown number of “field expedient” armour upgrades done to 76mm Shermans that supposedly got them up to near Jumbo levels of tin-plate…

But neither of these are in War Thunder so won’t come to Enlisted either.

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i have mentioned this 100 times lol 76 mm jumbo but all i get is allied op or vice versa

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How about we say fuck it to the jumbo and add tanks that woupd be more fun to play and more fun to deal with? I mean in a panther yes youre a god, but if youre in anything else the jumbo is pain.

Maybe replace the M4A2 sherman shell to APCBC

Replace the jumbo with a M4A1 (76) W

Replace the M10 with a Hellcat

But nah allied mains always want stupid shit just like the wehraboos with their tiger.

The 76 jumbo would be a counter to the panther (it is still better) but would stop every other german tank without a chance if survival

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So it would be exactly the same as the Panther is to the allies now…

Aw didums - heaven forbid that the 2 top tanks should both be as “a god” - apparently only 1 of them is allowed to be.

The 76 would be the same as the one in hte M10 - it can only penetrate the Panther with a perfect hit on the center of hte curved mantlet - and we all know that hte Panther has no problems at all with the Jumbo from the front… so how exactly is it that the 76 Jumbo would be “still better” than hte Panther?? Hmm…

I’ll wait…

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I believe you have said the solution quite many times by yourself.
L2P or flank it.
In numerous threads.

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I already said what has to be done. Give APCBC shell. Not the regular AP that strugles against sloped armor.

You just cant please some allied mains, maybe you want a pershing too now?

Oh and how about we argue about planes? I bet tge FW190 is much better than the P47.

PIAT vs Sturmpistole?

Theres no such thing as asymetrical balance. Each nation has its strenghts and weakneses. Learn to accept that for once rather than crying all the time

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You are totally right. There is a big imbalance in regard to tanks, especially as US tanks have open top. And it’s so easy to snipe, jump over your tank and kill the crew inside.
Jumbo gets OS by Nazi tanks, especially Panther, and can’t do proper damage to Panther on the shores of Normandy.
I can understand that 75mm can’t get through the armor of a Panther. However it’s also common knowledge that crew would still be wounded inside the tank, and multiple hits would eventually damage the armor. At least when you shoot 20 rounds on the main gun of a Panther, it should be damaged, right?
Now I like your idea of a 76mm Jumbo.

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To be fair lots of people have suggested it previously - mine is just another in the long list!!

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I guess there is no imbalance for planes, AT weaponry as well?

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If you want to argue about planes then I sugest you open a thread to do so - go for it - or indeed AT weapons - this one is headed for tanks - it would be nice if people could stick to the topic.

I notice you carefully say nothing at all about a 76mm Jumbo being just as godlike as the Panther already is… gosh there’s no pleasing some axis mains… :stuck_out_tongue:

And no - there’s no need for a Pershing… yet!

This thread is about tanks - like I said already - start one for other weapon systems if you want - but please don’t derail this one.

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just let them tears out.

No, it just seems you have forgotten your own solutions such as L2p, flank it & Use something else to counter.

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I don’t play with planes as I consider planes to be useless compared to tanks. With a good bomber you can indeed kill maybe 12 enemies on a shoke point, then refill and do that again one minute later. With a good tank in the right spot, it’s more like killing double that amount. On the shores of Normandy, Nazi tanks are game changers. They just get close enough to kill everything that spawns and voilà. You can’t kill these tanks with AT as they are off limits. That’s the problem we are talking about.

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Aim for the weakspot how hard can it be ?
Looks like allied mains need a aim assist.

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erhm to be corrected. My tank isnt Nazi but liberal. She told me that over dinner once just to make things clear that not all tanks have those political believes…

But im to early in to this campaign to say whats needed for the Tanks to even out. The campaign seem pretty even so far even if Allies has to attack more of which is harder

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let me teach you how to read before you reply “L2P”. In the sentence that is written in English, you can notice that the aforementioned player (me) was talking about off-limits tanks, i.e. tanks that are outside play zone. This is very common on the shores of Normandy. In that situation it is, indeed, impossible to target the tank with AT. It’s also impossible to flank. You will also learn that the Panther has no “weak spot” at this range on its front.