The you should play and see groft spam in normandy map.
Nearly every chokepoitn and narrow road is grofted
but it’s there for people to be used.
reason why it does not gets used often, it’s because people refuses.
just like smokes.
so… should we remove them?
no.
( if you upgrade shovels though, more people will might start using them. )
If the ground would behave like in Stalingrad Shovels would be used more often.
Sorry but in my books one or two people using something doesn’t make this something usefull.
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to be quite frankly with you,
stalingrad is probably the only campaign where shovels do not get used in 80% unlikes other maps.
too much solid concrete.
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Its about the ground where it can be used of course.
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which it’s your book.
not the dev ones.
and that’s what most people love of enlisted. having choices and options for people that does want.
it’s not up to you to judge what they should or should not use ( of course, if they used overpowered weapons or other things that aren’t okey, than dicussions and debates can be opened ) but not for those type of things.
Isnt Normandy only full of German tryhards?
So what now?
I would love to see those fancy trenches in the second, third and fourth section of D-Day.
Cause trying to get past defenders obi-waning on the hills by digging at the beach sounds logical I guess.
How the vehicles will go from hills ? They groft roads to stop them not infantry
Sheesh.
Do we really need to debate this dead horse again?
Cant we just skip and agree (again) that APCs and maybe shovels are useful in the future and rn let the three plebs have fun with it?
I saw this once and that wasnt even my session but a screenshot. And if I dont see them out of 400+ Spamandy matches where people excessive spam meta shit, then it’s debatable if the “market” sees them as effective.
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I wouldn’t bring devs as an example of doing sensible things.
More like ilusion of choises. You can do a lot of things, yes.
But many of them are simply not worth your time and effort or aren’t rewarded/encouraged by the game.
To be precise, anything that isn’t scoring kills or isn’t a rally is not encouraged.
I’m just stating my opinion. I may be wrong of course and I was many times.
But in this case I’m pretty sure of my estimates.
Time will tell as there is no doubt APCs will make it into the game.
I hope to be wrong, I really do as I also love APCs. But I don’t think I will.
Custom games may and probably will make good use of them. But not the base game.
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you are always welcome to change your mind of course.
and we won’t have to discuss over and over :+1
i would say yes, but first i still need to own or have them apc to be able to use them…
don’t you think?
and how exactely are you being that different? or how i am.
i think as long you are having fun, that’s what matters.
to you.
guess we’ll see.
we can still ( maybe and hopefully ) be able to change them when those will be introduced later on i guess.
which, in my humblest opinion, i kinda wished to be coming as I wanted ( as it would have increased them in their uses rather than just being a transport brick 2.0 ) but given not much the support, we’ll get exactly what y’all wanted cus no one said anything about them or didn’t talked enough about it.
For example I know that giving overheat to AA wouldn’t nerf their anti-infantry performance.
But I guess devs know better.
I could quote any of your posts about customization.
I’m not saying making a game&buisness is easy. But lack of some common sense is evident.
Problem is that you either have fun or you play effectivelly. At least in my case.
The game gives the most points for kills, rallies and wins (in general) → it encourages those actions.
I’m affraid that I don’t have your faith. I lost it +/- 6 months ago.
We hardly ever get what we want.
+1
Not sure what you mean.
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fair point.
but… that’s still up to you.
you can do it, just as much as you can avoid doing just that.
i’m just good at hiding it
Yes for many things, no for others.
people delay the inevitable, pointing fingers and only say what apc wouldn’t be able to do instead of make it better or suggest improvements.
they are more of the idea " ahhh if i don’t touchy it, it’s useless. and everyone who says otherwise is wrong " type of arguments.
( which you previously were part of )
Can =/= is encouraged
I’m jealous.
I simply don’t give a fuck enough to write another essay “how to make XYZ better” for it only to be ignored.
(I don’t even know if this sentence is written in english or only looks like one.)
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doesn’t have to.
as someone who regularly plays custom matches alone ( started more frequently from the past 5 to 4 months ) in order to avoid stomping newer players with my latter shiny toys, or not in the mood for playing against… " rats " ain’t gonna stop me from doing it.
it all depends for you.
sure, it’s gonna take me 170 matches out of probably 30 just to unlock a new level, but if i really want new level, i can just simply wait for a bost, and play when boosters are on.
it takes just good spirit, and controll. ( must admit though… as i’m about to release a rant ( for experiment ) on cosmetics, it has it’s limits 
)
well, i agree and can relate alot about the feeling, but if you don’t try, you lost from the beginning your chance.
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Recently I’m more in a “give up mode”.
But I see your points.
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