I observed thia bad habit in recent times.
In all servers, factions and campaigns
Only 1-2 max rally builders in general for every match if you are lucky.
And i am talking abour real player not bots.
Bots are more helpful than real players.
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I agree. My buddies and I are the only ones ever putting down rally points. We have 6-8 other players on the team, but nobody bothers to help with rally points. Even if ours get destroyed, we usually end up with players spamming “build a rally point” rather than helping out and doing it themselves.
I’ve talked to a couple of them, and their responses are generally “its not MY job. I’m built to rush into the objective or get kills. It’s the rest of the team’s job to use engineers.”
Why don’t they set up a rally point?
Do they not know how to use a rally point or even the rally point itself?
I dont know
Often i am the only one who try to built rallies
This is getting annoying.
In defence, if you dont have chains of rallies you lost.
Doesnt matter how hard one player try
I write to chat " hey build rally, we need rally" but no answer, no results.
Like you, I have been asking in every game chat to build rally points, but my wish has only been heard twice in the past few month.
I think the problem is that they don’t have the opportunity to learn the theory of the game, but I don’t know how to provide that to them, or if they would improve if DF provided them with the opportunity to learn…
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You can’t change the way people play the game. Building rally is rewarded with 35 points per spawn, killing an enemy give up to 45 score depending on the weapon. If you build ammo box barbwires or sandbag you earn even more passive score.
Rally points give you more chance of winning and passive score both of which help you level up faster.
Although the situation has improved after increasing the reward, it seems that the temptation of 35 points is not big enough.You know, when the construction of the rebirth point was only 15 points, no one even built it.
Lack of brain is a chronic problem yeah
Dont excuse them by saying maybe they dont know how to build one and what the purpose … it need litterally 50 IQ to understand such a simple mechanic
Perhaps only a small percentage of players are concerned with winning.
Many people probably think of Enlisted as a big sandbox and are happy to play at their own leisure, regardless of whether they win or lose. For example, sniping with a sniper rifle from a distance endlessly, or firing mortars mindlessly… I cannot deny that I enjoy that.
Rather than obliging them to play efficiently, perhaps it would be better to increase the reward for rally points and invite them, or have some other mechanism that makes it easier for players who prefer teamwork to form groups.
I am also wondering how many players don’t build rally points. I always have an active rally point up. Why? Because Rally points help you winning, and a match won is a 1.5 multiplier, so less time wasted grinding. Furthermore, I also make points when I am dead or when I am the squad selection menu.
It’s funny that I as an old guy and as an average player at best are usually among the top players in a match. Not because I am good, but because I try to play the game tactically.
You can’t dictate other players how they should play an FPS, but it’s somewhat annoying when you lose a match just because no one else built rallies, ammo boxes or structures.
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yeah thats the biggest mistake. this game is designed for cqc
Building rallies is not particularly rewarding (in any way), it’s no wonder not everyone does it. I’m not too sure what can be done about that.
These devs aren’t exactly good at guiding players towards a desired direction (or at knowing what that direction is). Perhaps it would have been wiser to follow what most players are already doing and remove rally points entirely. After all, they aren’t necessary to make the game playable or enjoyable.
Maybe they do not built because they like playing a walking simulator.
To all whinging about no one building rally points, build them your selves, i have a engie in every squad, there is no reason, unless Tunisia, that some wont have Engies, you people refuse to take/have a engie in squad, and cry, as s1 has not built a rally for you, so you can kill more.
Even if there built, doesn’t mean people will use it, stop whinging, and put a engie in all squads, simple.
PS, and before you say, i dont have a engie, and no, i can not help team, you could help team by spawning at a rally point, and then stick around and defend the rally point, till others spawn, that way you get to keep you rally points that are built.
You fundamentally misunderstand the problem. People aren’t demanding others to build rally points for them. They are saying that it’s a core mechanic that (supposedly) needs to be used by everyone all the time.
Having one rally you’ve built is often about the same as having none at all. Same (lack of) tactical flexibility, with only small time saving effect. It is also daunting to see that you are the only one doing the (supposedly) necessary job that takes time ane effort while offering little progression as a reward.
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Not how i read it but, even i have to use the real spawns points, before i can lay a rally, so a bit of a silly argument that one.
I walk/run miles to lay a rally point, and if i find a better spot, will re build it, etc,
i don’t just plonk it down, in a straight run for closest cap point, so i can join the killing, and not think about what happens after you die.
And as i quite often end up with battle reward, the tactician, just find it bit annoying that people keep complaining, about something they could fix them selves.
Are you trying to be the troll or really cant read ?
Or do you have any problem about your cognitive functions in general ?
I didnt say i dont build rallies.
I build them everytime. Problem is; generally i am the ONLY ONE who builds rally.
Just one rally means everybody have to wait for its time. Troop arrival time delays
-Logisticks fd up number 1
If you are an attacker and have just 1 rally, enemy team ( if not not stupid) can focus their defense on where your team is spamming and coming from. And no rallies in flanks means your teammates will lose momentum and time if they are spawned in some central rally then tried to go from flanks.
-logisticks fd up number 2
If you are an defender its worse. Since attackers can wait and choose to where to attack.
And if you dont have enough rallies they can overwhelm you and cut the objective by surrounding it
-logisticks f**d up number 3
This is one of the simplest goddamn concept in the game
Far easier than beeing good at bolt actions.
If you still cannot understand, im sorry bcs modern science and medicine still have no cure for your case
If you want to play the troll, get the hell out of my post
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There are currently some issues with the respawn point that still need to be worked out, it doesn’t give positive feedback to the builders
First of all, even the builder of the spawn point still needs to queue up when respawning, if the builder has no privileges, why not expect others to build the spawn point? So I think the builder of the respawn point should give priority to respawn over other players.
Additionally, the rewards are too small, and spawn points give too few points to builders, making many players less motivated to build them.
Just like smoke bombs and smoke bomb artillery support, only a few people are willing to use them, and they will not bring any benefits to users or the benefits will be too low.
So I think the score reward for respawn points should be increased to 100, so that players can convince themselves to build these things
Finally, the spawn points that are too close together conflict with each other, if I build a spawn point and my teammate builds another one very close to my spawn point, we don’t get two spawn points but overlap Together, then one of them is equivalent to wasting time for nothing, which is so frustrating.
The speed of building spawn points is not fast, and over-reliance on engineers is also one of the reasons. Many times I really want to build them, but my engineers are killed by damn snipers.
All of this can be solved building more rallypoint at least 3
does bots even build rallys ? not always i see them though maybe they cannot hide them properly and are easy prey for snipers