I REALLY like the hyde carbine 15/bendix hyde carbine for this. It’s .30 cal, select fire, 16" barrel, developed 1941
. Super close to the actual first assault rifle u.s. made after ww2.
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Technically that’s in the automatic rifle category like the M2 carbine
Which goes into my point about how the new Engineers shouldn’t have ASSAULT RIFLES to keep weapon classes distinct
And their weapons should be AUTOMATIC RIFLES, if they absolute must have an automatic weapon
Yes i know its a carbine, it’s literally in the name, again i believe it’s the closest thing I’ve come across to match the roll of one. Germany gets the FG42/2 as an infantry weapon even though it’s an LMG. So this could be a similar situation where its a carbine that fills the role of AR
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There’s also the BAR which is a battle rifle but gets tied to gunner troops as well. So your point about it being a carbine and not an assault rifle doesn’t really matter with these other guns doing the same thing in game already…the definition of an assault rifle is an intermediate cartridge between rifles and smgs, with automatic/select fire, which is pretty much what an automatic carbine is to begin with. The m2C doesn’t truly fulfill the role of an assault rifle in game with its crazy recoil, insane RoF, and bad sights. The m2C fills the role of an SMG over an AR. So we need a gun with .30 cal for velocity, a 600ish rpm, 20-30 vert recoil, with clean sights
Even if we dont get the engineers. I would still like to see something comparable to the axis ARs because we don’t have anything that fills the role of one as i just stated.
im pretty sure the event engineers will only get tech tree guns but cool suggestion nonetheless!
I really don’t understand what you think, just because Germany is widely equipped with AR, so the Soviet Union and the United States should also have them?
Each country has its own combat doctrine and does not necessarily require the exact same role
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The FG-42 isn’t a LMG, it’s also an automatic rifle
Its a light machine gun. Click on the gun and read description
The soviets do have them. The whole update happening about balance. I don’t care if certain factions have slightly better aspects. U.s. tier 5 is no where comparable to axis tier 5. Axis has a crap ton on benefits and advantages as it is. DF has already stated the engineers are coming out, so this is for suggestions of what can apply to the roll of it not whether or not we should get them.
The merge and BRs have introduced a ton of new issues that didn’t exist before hand. The biggest one is that all the top tier axis stuff wasn’t suppose to go up against u.s. but the the soviets.
An automatic rifle is the avs and avt which has the damage of a semi auto. The FG42 has the damage of an LMG (johnson lmg, BAR [even though BAR isn’t a MG], Mg34, mg42). The exact u.s. equivalent is the johnson LMG. Again click on the gun and it says it’s a light machine gun.
They specifically said assault rifles, not assault weapons. Meaning they can use assault rifles but not SMGs.
The M2 Carbine was given to American riflemen as an equivalent to other factions having automatic rifles, but it was back when the devs were a little more concerned with adding in weapons that were actually used in the war. The M2 Carbine is closer to an assault rifle than it is an automatic rifle, because .30 Carbine (7.62x33mm) is most definitely not a full-size rifle round.
I think his point is that the US and Japan need to get assault rifles before they get specialty engineers allowed to use assault rifles.
It’s a grey area. It was designed to be a multirole infantry rifle, marksman’s rifle, and squad support weapon/squad automatic weapon. Wikipedia refers to it as an automatic rifle, which I think is the best descriptor for it. Conversely, I think the Johnson LMG would also qualify to fall under the definition of “automatic rifle”, along with all BAR variants.
It’s kind of ironic that the US needed an automatic rifle and one of their best options was classified as an LMG, when it’s only actual service in the war was with the Paramarine division, which had 50% Reisings and 50% Johnson LMGs, so it was effectively used in more of an automatic rifle role with half the division getting one.
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The devs chaotically made the new Gorov LMG a “rifle” and it’s available for all classes.
I think they should make it definitively a LMG
I think that’s just dev screwery like messing with stats and classifications. It’s like we wouldn’t call a Bren an automatic rifle even though it’s chambered for the British rifle round. It’s all about intended roles