I have been playing this game for nearly three years and you really need to stop listening to random guys who just found the game, disliked it, complained about it, then left. You need to care about players who stay, and stop worrying about balance which has always been a problem but not a fatal one. Right now you are making a fatal mistake by trying to adress this! Enlisted has not been, and will unlikely be a “balanced game”. The BRs don’t help balance, but only make a mess of the only two things Enlisted is reknown for: historical accuracy and mowing bot experience. Let’s just face it. We like annihilating whole enemy squads, but not getting own squads annihilated in seconds. Such intense fighting is what the new matching system proposes. It is nothing but suffering, what’s the point of a powerful gun if it only means mightier enemies? What’s the point of ppsh41 if you are gonna face Fg42II in every session? The German equipment BRUTALLY dominates high BR matches (I maxed out Berlin Axis so don’t get me wrong). Therefore soviet players will likely avoid them, and remain in low BR presets; However, when there are not enough 4/5 BR players in the game, even 3-BR players will meet high BR players, then what’s the point of everything at all?!
I have tried to figure out strategies that will give me maximum advantage against other players, and I’m gonna show you how still-imbalanced and freshly-made-ridiculous the system is:
The US dominates 1/2 BR, with Grant the OP tank and THE ONLY low-tier paratrooper yielding BSA welgun. They have access to sniper rifles in the supply box which is 4-BR. Is this fair? Not even to mention balance! Now let’s check what Germans have for their 1/2BR equipment…Junks! I have said that German 4/5 BR equipments will make other players avoid high BR loadout, while terrible experience for fresh axis players means less high BR Axis players in the future…It means nobody is gonna play your game!! wake up Darkflow. If your conclusion is just to fix Grant and paratrooper, then you have not been listening. Btw they are real fun for me in the future, getting rid of them only makes the experience even worse.
I don’t see the edit option so I’ll reply to myself.
Do yourself a favour, Darkflow. “BR cheating” is inevitable as long as BR exists. Any idea like “tier” or “level” or “rating” INHERENTLY means inequality. A game with such diverse armoury simply can’t be balanced. If it ever is balanced, after unimaginable endeavour, then any update will make you reconsider the whole system again. again and again. The only way out is to give this up and try another way to satisfy long-term players. Long-term, mark my words. What they like is what makes your game competitive and prosperous, not only because they spend time and money, but also because they prove what the game is uniquely attractive.
I think the BR will need work and I’d prefer it didn’t limit maps.
That said, many long time players would have already bailed if not for the promise of the merge and almost no new players stick with the game in its current state.
As I said, if they don’t get the economy and BR right then it’ll be a mess but doing nothing would be a mess for sure.
I totally agree with the merge. My point that the BR right now has proved that balance is the least concern because there’d be no solution. It simply can’t be the reason to sacrifice other important parts of game. I’d probably just play as low tier US or max tier axis and I’ll always win. I’m not speaking on behalf of myself or long-term players, who know the equipments and are able to gain advantage anyway. I’m talking about how to keep this game alive so that we still have the game to play. Right now they are kinda making Everyone suffer. That isn’t good.
If they keep the BRs the way it is like they did dirty to the PPDs and the PPSh, it might be one of the grounds for me to quit the game after the merge. Even worse if top tier is going to be the same as Berlin but much worse with a whole team armed with full Axis Berlin loadouts with the absurdly high number of King Tigers than real life since the meta is going to remain being Germany anyway.
Defending this due to “muh new players” is not going to end well like might as well play War Thunder or Call of Duty/Battlefield if we keep up with the constant chaotic lineups with BR assignments.
Not likely, most of the cooler iconic Soviet stuff starts from BR 3 up. Most will most likely play BR 3
and leave everything thats not a full downtier. Beat the Shit out of BR 1s for sport.
The only Brutal Domination in Berlin is population based.
There is no german High tier weapon (I can think of) that the soviets dont have an equal to or better version of (some might aswell be a straight copy paste)
vehicles are the only exception
Fg-42 - AVT-40 (heres the kicker AVT-40 is better)
Then to top it off, Soviets are the only ones that can Have body armor 10% damage reduction that changes the amount of shots to kill on certain german weapons (guess which one goes to 2 shots to kill at all ranges…FG-42)
Nope its not a gear thing
BR wasnt my first choice, But its the price for no moderation or limitation on gear abundance.
id rather the weapons campaign locked for use but a nation level to unlock squads, vehicles, guns and gear… like you spend all your time in Moscow play long enough you get gear and squads for Stalingrad and Berlin too.
My conclusion remains the same. BRs don’t help balancing. And I agree with the population issue being an important factor.
Speaking of population, there’s a viscous circle here. Indeed soviets have matching gears, but BR is kinda discouraging people keep playing and reach them, and therefore causing the population issue. I used to be a firm soviet player untill i got beat the shit out me with imbalanced number of players, not by gear. I had often placed 1st in the team but still lost most matches. Besides, ppsh41 is totally a joke in 5-BR battles facing FG422. Trust me. the other day I was hit by ppsh41 for several rounds and successfully knocked out the unlucky guy with 422. Simply put, In every 4/5 BR you will find more Best Axis gears than best Soviet ones. Meanwhile It is gonna be intense fight for 422/stg44 against few As-44, more likely ppd and ppsh as the population issue is already there. It’s still not fair nor fun for the soviets, and even makes the experience grinding for the Germans as well when there are enough stubborn players trying hard to shoot enemies at whatever cost. Come on, it’s tiresome. I grind to the top tier, now the new system tells me I need to grind harder? No thanks. This is how Enlisted loses players.
what I’m saying is that
1: There are more maxed out German players
2: There are less maxed out Soviet Players.
3: Therefore, In 5-BR matches there are more top end German guns than Soviet one, because of the population issue.
4: It doesn’t matter what they are supposed to be compared with; They are all in 5-BR and they just encounter without that apple to apple comparison.
Lets just “say” that is the case. Thats not caused by BR…thats happening now anway without it, Before BR even exists.
1 sided bot farms in at least 3 out of the 6 campaigns where players on the wrong side get stomped by fully geared and populated pain trains.
It goes in cycles.
Really all BR is doing, is compartmentalising which weapons you are going to do it with, and forcing less ques so games fill with more players. (right up until they leave because they got a shitty matchup (which they can get without BR) or a map/mode/teammate they dont like)
Some old favourite weapons and vehicles get the shaft, while some others get some love. Bitter sweet
FYI, im not defending BR because I think its good (Im not a fan on the current proposal without changes), Im just saying the main stuff you hate was there long before BR was whispered, and actually caused its arrival.
If we have the Merge, If it were to work like a campagin does we would have major issues as there would be no reason to climb the latter to top tier as fast as possible so you can crush people below you who are using bolt actions and T-26s, Panzer IIs and the like.
Enlisted’s B.R system is a bit better in some ways to WT’s B.R system, But in many many clear ways worst then it at the same time.
Over all, I feel we really need to have it be a 1-2
2-4
5
system.
1-2: Mostly bolties and crappy/low end SMGs (Sten Vs MP-3008 basically.)
3: the middle ground, Alot of mid power weapons, Can easily crush and can easily be crushed, Can fight TIer 2 weapons, and Tier 4 weapons.
4: alot of high end stuff, Stuff that will be well liked by many people. This is where the system falls sort real quick… If it fights tier 2 weapons those players will find things to suck real quickly.
5: The top of the top
How I’d personally fix it:
1-2: bolt actions and crappy SMGs.
3-4: mid tier weapons.
5-6: Top of the line weapons.
This way Tier 2 can only meet tier 1-2 (With the odd chance of fighting tier 3)
tier 4 can meet 3-4 (With a very uncommon chance of fighting tier 5)
They almost have this now… only change required is to make BR 3 ±1 which is what many of us have been asking. (from a Matchmaking point of view, there are a lot of items with wrong BRS assigned)
so MM becomes
1 and 2,
2 and 3 or 3 and 4
4 and 5 (or possibly just 5)
But they are so worried about their que times, they want less ques
call 4-5 something like “elite ranks” and you will get plenty of people playing in it. Everyone else can enjoy 1-3…since the difference in tech in that range is not at all bad.
You obviously haven’t gotten stuck to any 1 FPS shooter for long period of time. I can tell you that you’re just wrong. Every AAA title I’ve played has implemented SBMM at one point because that’s what the “community” wants, then back tracks and removes it after finding out how bad it hurt the health of the game. What this guy said who started the post is spot on about everything. It only helps the newbies slightly who the vast majority don’t stick around for long either way. The end game is supposed to be the reward for sticking around. However battle ratings punishes end game players to no extent. It will be the most hellish toxic games ever over and over and over. It makes grinding useless, and unenjoyable. Any game’s health depends on it’s long term loyal users. SBMM destroys that every time. “Oh sweet i FINALLY unlocked the tommy gun! I can’t wait to use it!” Said no one in Battle Ratings.
What he really meant by farming bots is it’s enjoyable to have chill games, and not feel like you’re in a major league gaming tournament playing for your life. End game is toxic as hell. To say this game doesn’t have much historical accuracy is such an exaggeration and just not true. Its wat more historical then call of duty, battlefield, all your AAA games. They’ve added very slight things to make the game FUN. Most people don’t like playing milsim games. It’s too much. This game did ALOT of things right that gave it a very unique feel that made it so enjoyable. Battle ratings destroys that niche it had and will suck all the life out of the game. Every game that implements SBMM when it started as a fun chill experience and not a toxic sweat fest has always gone down hill fast. I’ve seen it happen over and over.
