Myrm1dons All Nations AIR Balance and Revamp!

[Myrm1don]

@Conscript_Joe

Man… all those planes make me drool.

Especially the spitfire mk IX, 57mm mossie, and typhoon.

Gimme now

[Conscript_Joe]

Only thing I’m “afraid” (not really, eheh) is that with typhoon and Spit IX, allies would get the absolute air superiority and could keep spamming even more. Not a nice prospect for Japan (it won’t stay popular forever).

As for Typhoon, meh, I’m the proud owner of the upgraded version, the Tempest

[Myrm1don]

@Conscript_Joe

As for Typhoon, meh, I’m the proud owner of the upgraded version, the Tempest

“Potentially” Lower BR

If br gets to matter

And if it gets rockets, british rockets go boom )

@Conscript_Joe

Only thing I’m “afraid” (not really, eheh) is that with typhoon and Spit IX, allies would get the absolute air superiority and could keep spamming even more

Zeros are more than a match. Few more zero upgrades to add aswell (A6M5 with rockets )

Also N1k2

With those, i wouldnt worry for japan (id worry for germany though lol…the would need a Ta 152 and a new fiat )

If i was going to add these planes i would add them at the same time (a6m5, spitfire mk IX and…fiat g.55/56??) For example

[Conscript_Joe]

Definitely!

But with such potent planes (we’re talking about the cream, now)

Your airfields suggestion would be mandatory… we cannot have something so powerful (even if everybody can already destroy them with aa… but are too lazy to because they’re zergs with smgs) without a better air revamp.

I don’t want rockets nerfed. But I want players to work for their cap zone wipes

[iso_seppo123]

Japan has also some unused aircrafts:

A6m5

Ki-44 with 40mm cannons

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

to be fair,

i did showed them all b4

New and old treats ( vehicles & aircrafts ) from the callisto editor & in general ( that we are aware )

i dug somewhat on the editor, and found out some interesting stuff. plus, i just wanted to post all vehicles that are in the editor / new / leftovers / probably removed that aren’t widely known. keep in mind that some of them, or even all might not come. so, take it with a grain of salt. p.s. i might have made some mistake with airplanes, since i don’t really know all of them in the game. but i’m sure some are new also. some of them are the AI bombers. but apparently can be flied by playe…

[Adamnpee]

That’s possible, but I ignored it. So to me, it’s like you didn’t show anything :PP

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

a spoiler free type of a guy uh

that’s a keeper in my book.

[Myrm1don]

Thanks mate. Its encouraging to know a good deal of the ones i thought worthy of mention are already in the files

And thanks @ErikaKalkbrenner …been a while since i checked your list. Time to browse again

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

i mean, iso already posted them all of them here so

aside from some E8, jumbo 76, AEC, panther F, and few other vehicle, there isn’t much new.

[Myrm1don]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

i mean, iso already posted them all of them here so

Honestly been a long time i seen it, they still arent ingame, i forgot

[Adamnpee]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

panther F

Can’t wait to see this beauty back on the battlefields of Enlisted.

[Myrm1don]

If you really want to debate covered ground…

@FLAG03

If I remember correctly
What you took out was the test in the AI ​​competition.
He has no consideration of value in actual combat environment
Because nothing will try to knock you down or block your respawn point

But it was considered and deemed Moot/Irrelevant.

Because: This exists in the game as it is now, and is nothing to do with the suggesiton

You can “already” spawn camp plane spawns, Infantry rallys (Hello AP Mines, or Long Range HE spam), Tank spawns (the second they spawn), paras can be shot out of their chutes. Thats how the game is. Just because you spawned something, doesnt mean you are going to get to use it. Many of these scenarios you have to trade “time” for relative safety (spawn further away, take more time to go around etc).

All you can “guarantee” is what it is “possible” for you to do (Which is what the tests show). Not what someone else can “potentially” stop you from doing. (and I have never been shot down At spawn on the Carrier…seen lots of pilots get blown up BY AA trying)

@FLAG03

Unfortunately
The existence of this tactic is necessary
It has necessary value from various angles

Usually about 70% of your teammates are a group of babies who have no fighting ability or even worse than AI.
They won’t do anything to help the war situation
Rather than building respawn points and detours, they prefer to hide behind and cry and occupy positions on vehicles.

You just said it yourself “unfortunately”. This isnt the mess hall where we talk about “How the game is”, this is where we make suggestions to better “unfortunate” realities.

I suggest you put your energy into trying to add to suggestions to try and make things better.

The whole point of many of these suggestions, it to try and remove these tactics from being “necessary/meta”…there are other changes that need to be made aswell for a better game (like spawn locations, capture times, capture lockouts etc), but you have to start somewhere .

[IceySmooth]

Currently, a high-altitude aircraft operating at a speed of 600 takes approximately 40 seconds to complete a standard bomb release.
If you choose to take off, you will arrive at the battlefield at low altitude in about 1 minute.
Even if your plane successfully arrives, it will lose sight and dive angle due to insufficient height.
Attack with the risk of being shot down and self-destructing
Or do you want to spend 2 minutes raising it to the standard height and then drop bombs on the lost stronghold?
Maybe the enemy is already on the way to the next stronghold at this time.
So my conclusion is
Your enemies will thank you for the late bomb

To me this stood out from the previous discussion; and so it brings this issue

Top tier aircraft at BR5 are apparently increadibly deadly, but consider that theyre nowhere near their actual power level. Tu-2 with 3x1000kg bombs, or F-82 with 2x500kg, 10x HVAR and 14x 50cal HMGs. These aircraft have enough firepower to loiter for 2-4 attack runs before rearming.

Do I want these cool iconic weapons ingame? Everybody prob does; does it completely screw up current meta?? OH god yes. Important trade offs need to be included to make these craft solid options of play but also not completely broken. I dont know an air player who does not want to have a more realistic air play experience. Hence my short coding suggestions in the meantime on the previous thread and full support here for airfield play for air players.

[Myrm1don]

@IceySmooth

Top tier aircraft at BR5 are apparently increadibly deadly, but consider that theyre nowhere near their actual power level. Tu-2 with 3x1000kg bombs, or F-82 with 2x500kg, 10x HVAR and 14x 50cal HMGs. These aircraft have enough firepower to loiter for 2-4 attack runs before rearming.

Also incredibly fast and climb alot better. Testing was purposefully done with the “slow” stuka.

Things really ramp up as you go up in tier. Not to mention at high BR low altitude high speed attack runs are very effective

[IceySmooth]

If you really had to you could still provide air spawn with airfield rearming for lower tiers. I personally DONT think its necessary; Were dealing with arcade flight modeling from war thunder, landing/climbing is all still buffed vs realistic WT models.

At BR 5 were dealing with massive payloads and very high climb/flight speeds (700kph, early Jets really). Farther airfield distances for high BR maps would be a way of balancing I could see happening.

[Myrm1don]

@IceySmooth

If you really had to you could still provide air spawn with airfield rearming for lower tiers

I think air spawn at speed 50 meters above runway is an acceptable compromise for lower BR. (Really not needed at high BR IMO)

Also i had intended for air re-arming to stay aswell, perhaps further back(for the time being, only taking off required on spawn)

[IceySmooth]

Agree, these details honestly are simply balance/ game state dependent.

For me ( and I presume most players) ability to repair, rearm at an airfield is much more immersive & intuitive than flying to a imaginary air ship

[Myrm1don]

@IceySmooth

For me ( and I presume most players) ability to repair, rearm at an airfield is much more immersive & intuitive than flying to a imaginary air ship

For sure!!! Really want the chance to repair!, your heart sinks when you see an oil leak after you have just won the skies

[ethantokes]

This is an amazing work-up and it has my full support.