My BIG SMG Rework 🔫 (USSR,JAPAN and ALLIES)

[Life_burns]

Well i think we can rework a bit the SMGs I’m not gonna touch the Axis since they are a mess and are full of old conservative dinosaurs that dont want no change and complain that Germany suffers but finally my theory why Germany suffers comes out to be true well Axis suffers because of the Axis player base when they are ready for a change they can make their own topic in that time we can have normal conversation in the other factions without this wehraboos

So lets start with the USSR,Japan and Allies factions and changes that can make them more interesting and make our tech tress look better not like the trash Axis TT I mean look at it its a mess

I.USSR:

BR I New SMG:

USSR can have a bit weaker SMG as a starting one and I propose all M50 rate of fire to be put to 800 rounds. So this M 50 12 rounds will be nice new SMG for USSR that will make BR I more unique for soviet players.

BR III New SMG:

M 50 30 rounds can be added to the tech tree with its new 800 rate of fire will be nice starting BR III SMG.

II.Japan:

BR I NEW SMG:

The new starting SMG for Japan should be Baretta M38/42 20 rounds.
In the future it can be also Tokyo arsenal 1928 for more BR I diversity

BR II:

Type 100 SMG (early) will be moved to BR II and give 700 rate of fire.

BR IV:

Type 2 SMG will get also rate of fire buff to 750 will stay in BR IV.

III.Allies:

BR I:

M50 will get its rate of fire buffed to 800.

BR III:

This 2 tommie’s gonna be moved to BR III.

What other SMG can be give for BR III allies that will give some diversity to the allies well

Patchett 50 Rounds BR III some 50 round SMG will be nice addition since it has slow rate of fire it exactly BR III weapon.

BR IV:

This tommy gonna be moved to BR IV.

That’s all the changes to faction SMGs final words PPSh I didn’t touch it from BR V since im a bit split on it and what will happen to the premium M55 and Type 100 paratrooper version they also will get rate of fire buffs and we can get premium Paratrooper squads with them for BR II. (30 round version of M55 and Bipod version of the Paratrooper Type 100 SMG).

Well that’s all that is safe to change I think that wont be starting some forum war

[Yamoto4299-live]

Do you have any data about the 12 round and 30 round reising smg?

[Dregomz]

And Germany gets left with the weakest smgs in a game at BR2/3 and Americans will just dominate Germans with their M21/28 and Soviets as usual with their PPSH-41 and countless br2 smgs.

[Life_burns]

Well that will push them to finally demand change in their faction

[Comrade_Sina]

I also hope they give my English boys more weapons.

Sten MKV

[image] 32 round mag, This weapon is a modified Sten MKII, with similar stats but slightly better. for BR2 TT. [tumblr_inline_o41osotxVr1qapn73_1280] silencer version, event, premum or BP for BR2. [gewgwg] 50 round version, BR3 TT.

[drugsgerman]

I mean the suggestion is fine, but god is the german tech tree already bloated enough. Some weapons need to be foldered before adding weapons to that faction.

[Dregomz]

@Life_burns

Well that will push them to finally demand change in their faction

We both know that nothing major will happen outside of small buffs that are not significant.

[Life_burns]

Cuz they dont want nothing really its their fault for real so thats how we push change after they get absolutely destroyed in BR II and BR III will finally ask for some needed changes and for some fix for the mess their tech tree is right now.

[Life_burns]

Yes check the Received in the form of Lend-Lease aid

They got 12 and 30 rounds magazines

[Yamoto4299-live]

The reising looks so much better with darker wood

[Life_burns]

Yeah its amazing weapon I cant wait to have it with its actual rate of fire and 30 rounds

[Valkay]

SMG diversity is terrible in the game.
Every soviet tech tree SMG is chambered in 7.62x25, every Axis tech tree SMG is 9x19 except for Király which is chambered 9x25.
Japan is bit more interesting since they have 9x22 nambu and 7.65x21 as well.
The best is BR1 and BR2 Allies which has 9x19 and .45 acp at the same time.

Get soviets some 45. acp and 9mm SMG.

@Valkay

M23 Tallinn Arsenal

The M23 Arsenal submachine gun was developed in Estonia in 1923, it was based on the MP28 and SIG 1920, it had a large 40 round stick magazine, was chambered in 9x20mm Browning and had a fire rate of 600 rpm.
The weapon was mostly used by Estonian border guard units and some were sold to the Spanish Republic during the Spanish civil war.
With the Soviet occupation in 1940, the Estonian army alongside their submachine guns was integrated into the Soviet red army, their fate is unknown with only a few surviving today.
Considering its characteristics and the weapons it was based on, it should be BR3 and have stats similar to the SIG 1920 and Lanchester (50 round) SMGs.

I would love Japan to have at least one 9x19 SMG in its tech tree.
as well as SIG MKMO used by Manchukuo troops.

Allies should get more British SMG in BR3 like Sten Mk.V
As for Axis, their options seem limited since almost all European nations used 9x19
Mas-38 chambered in 7.65 lounge if added to tech tree
MP34 chambered in .45 acp or 7.63x25 Mauser

[LM4_Luna]

Reising only had 12- and 20-rounders as standard issue magazines

[Life_burns]

@Valkay

SIG MKMO

I didnt add it cuz for now this is enough changes in the future can also be added as a premium or TT.

[EVA_Evo]

Brother ewwwwww

[Life_burns]

Yeah but to USSR they delivered the commercial production that had also 30 round that US army didn’t used but for USSR that was fine.

[LM4_Luna]

except even on the photo its still shown with a 20-rounder? 30-rounders are strictly aftermarket and noticeably longer

[Life_burns]

I showed you a soviet soldier with Raising not a 30 round version 100% but thats showed from the photo is probably a 30 to find you a soviet soldier with 30 rounds is a bit more complicated but you can see on the documents that they had them just check the lend-lease act they delivered 12 and 30 round magazines to USSR. Same is with SIG KE - 7 to find a photo of Japanese soldier is hard and this one is probably 30 round since not all are smooth.

And this is a 20 round so the one I have showed you is probably 30:

M50 REISING 30 ROUND .45 CAL MAGAZINE | Proxibid

So is it smooth as you claim ?

And yours is 100% modern replica if its even real btw…

[LM4_Luna]

@Life_burns

M50 REISING 30 ROUND .45 CAL MAGAZINE | Proxibid

Its a 12-rounder, short, ribs on the side and not even wide enough to be anything close to the claimed capacity

@Life_burns

And yours is 100% modern replica if its even real btw…

Because there were no standard issue 30-rounders? Every single one is aftermarket, including the one i’ve shown

[Life_burns]

Then what 30 rounds they delivered on the LL act ?