The MP41 is by far the strongest weapon in the game to the point of being pay to win. It has nearly zero recoil aside from a small bit of barrel climb under sustained fire. The ballistics on it combined with the recoil allow you to laser beam people nearly across the map reliably. None of the other MPs behave this way at all. And certainly none of the Soviet submachine guns behave this way, not that I think they should. On top of that the only way to acquire the MP41 is through buying the pack.
I’m not saying it should be nerfed into the ground, just brought more into line with the other machine pistols.
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It actually is objectively P2W as it offers a semi-automatic firing mode when compared to the MP-40.
That aside, I do agree that the MP-40/41s could do with a slight (mainly horizontal) recoil nerf. That should be enough.
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no one’s doing semi autoi it’s shit so i don’t consider it pay to win it’s a mp40 the actual problem is that the germans get MP38 soon so they are golden when it comes to SMG’s but the soviets get the drum magazine PPD in level 11 the solution is the PPD drum being at the same level as MP38 and being given a bit less recoil cause a PPD with 25 rounds isn’t cutting it
You’re right, no one uses the semi-auto feature when you can laser people cross map in full auto.
To start off with; don’t even know how to switch to semi-auto, nor do I even use it in the first place. Proper trigger control is worth more than a switch.
The PPD also has a higher damage retention over range. While the recoil is definitely very strong, it’s not enough to outbalance the ROF & damage that comes with it. German SMGs are okay right now, but they are nowhere near the damage output of the Russian ones.
Is the MP-41 bullshit? Yeah. But so is the PPK-41. I found myself getting sniped by them while I was on the walls of the Monastery, from the previous cap point. Haven’t seen that happen with the MP-41. It goes both ways with those two squads.
If people started using the squads less, they’d find that other squads are actually a lot more enjoyable.
“Is the MP-41 bullshit? Yeah. But so is the PPK-41. I found myself getting sniped by them while I was on the walls of the Monastery, from the previous cap point. Haven’t seen that happen with the MP-41. It goes both ways with those two squads.”
The PPK actually has roughly the same kick in the horizontal and vertical and is no way unbalanced, so drop the whataboutism.
EDIT: Oh my bad the PPK has similar recoil stats the the MP28, the MP40 has less horizontal and slightly more vert. Opened the game to check
Not a single whataboutism to be found in that statement. I simply don’t play the Russians all that much, so I don’t experience that specific phenomenom.
You should play both sides since it’ll give you a better perspective on the balance of the game, my man. Plus their both a lot of fun to play.
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the so called snipes require controlled fire the MP38 fires a specific pistol caliber round that doesn’t one shot of if it does and haven’t lost a significant amount of health it’s a headshot anyway the only real difference between 40 and 41 is that the 41 comes fully upgraded while the 40 needs to be upgraded to reach the 41 effectiveness cause this is the whole selling point of a prem squad alongside the modifier for the research
What are you on about? No one said either of them one shot stuff. The MP41 has an unbalanced recoil that needs tuning to bring it more inline with the rest of the machine pistols. Upgrades for either gun have nothing to do with it at all.
when you’re calling it a laser gun damage has to do something with it just saying also the other SMG that actually need a change in recoil is PPD (reduction) cause it’s unhistorical
Pay to win, in my definition, offers you something that can only be used when you pay and affects the outcome of battle. I occasionally use semi-auto to snipe enemies that are far out as then I don’t waste ammo as even with trigger discipline, you occasionally fire a second shot.
Except it has lower RoF than the 40/41
Not on Monastery, that’s a bit too far out.
But the MP28 has 20 rounds compared to 35, and a much lower RoF.
I agree that the MP41 is OP, I don’t need to play Russia to notice that. But that doesn’t mean that the PPK is not OP too.
No, it doesn’t. Everyone simply runs around with -70% recoil. If that wasn’t the case it would kick a lot more.
“But the MP28 has 20 rounds compared to 35, and a much lower RoF.”
Making it easier to drag back and forth between rounds than the PPK.
“No, it doesn’t. Everyone simply runs around with -70% recoil. If that wasn’t the case it would kick a lot more.”
That perk only takes effect when you’re standing completely still. You can laser people with the MP41 while running and gunning no issue which is much harder to do with the PPK thanks to the strong horizontal kick. Plus picking them up with riflemen who don’t have that perk cleanly shows the difference between the two.
As far as I noticed, it just counts standing, crouched, or prone. Crouch-walking counts as being crouched, walking counts as standing.
Might be just me, I am pretty used to handling recoil
You press B on the keyboard to change firing modes on weapons that allow it.
Yeah I think it’s a bad translation, they probably meant “while still”. Crouching and going prone reduce recoil on everything no matter the soldier. So crouch-walking would still control recoil better than moving while standing.
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I do semi-auto with the PPD if I’m shooting at long range, but there’s no reason to do it with the MP-41 because the recoil is lighter.
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or just get a bolt action as a secondary it’s far easier to snipe and far more effective, besides even if this can be called “Pay to Win” through technicalities it’s nothing more than that technicalities, like with the ridiculous repair cost of certain vehicles in WT, any basing your problem on the semi auto firing mode i consider nitpicking and i wouldn’t trade MP40 one of the most iconic SMGs of the war that combined MP 40 and 28 components and was produced briefly in limited numbers which is the whole reason this became part of the premium pack
yeah the recoil of PPD needs addressing cause it was very little, i don’t have a problem with the MP 38, 40, 41 recoil
Unless MPs get a massive damage increase, reducing PPD recoil will bring balance issue. Unless they reduce it’s rof which I’d rather not. I like how the SMG and it’s performance is unique to the factions.
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